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8: The Mormon Proposition [Import]


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53 of 68 people found the following review helpful
A Must-See Documentary That Exposes Truth and Light June 5 2010
By Andrew Stelter - Published on Amazon.com
Format: DVD
I saw this film at a screening in Park City during the Sundance Film Festival in January of 2010. Admittedly, I am LDS and I identify as a gay man. Obviously, this is a movie that I wanted to see because I had these two elements of my life fighting with each other, both in private (in my own mind) and in public (LDS Church vs. the anti-Proposition 8 movement). First of all, the movie definitely has an agenda. However, the title does not lie; sometimes the truth hurts. Being involved in both of these communities fairly actively, I can tell you that this movie brings the truth about Proposition 8 to light. Where the film crosses the line is in its sometimes sensationalistic portrayal, in how the facts are presented to the audience. The truth is presented, but not in the best way or method. Reed Cowan (director) did try to interview LDS Church officials and spokespeople, but his requests were either denied or ignored. Can people really blame him for this? Criticisms of his film being "too biased" are without knowledge of this fact. A lot has to be said for the documents from the 1990's proving that the anti-gay marriage group in Hawaii was created, staffed, and funded through Mormon means. It may all have been done legally, but that doesn't mean that it was right or moral. A lot of criticism of the film points to the "picking-and-choosing" of which phrases from these documents were highlighted on screen and pointed out to the viewer. This is easily remedied: to see the documents, simply go to "MormonGate dot com" and read them. The documents speak for themselves.
28 of 37 people found the following review helpful
Extremely Disturbing July 26 2010
By Aryael de Kaprii - Published on Amazon.com
Format: DVD
I was a member of the LDS Church until May 2003 after I went infront of my congregation at Northridge 3rd Ward and announced during fast and testimony that I was Gay. I can honestly say that it was a moment of insanity because of what could have happened. I have always been a strong minded person, confident and sure of myself. The mormon's way of brainwashing and threatening really didnt and could not have worked on me. Honestly the Bishop and First Council were pretty cool about it. They took me into the office and sat me down and told me that they know and understand my struggles and that one in every 10 men is gay. They told me that if I wanted the Churche's help, that I could remain a member as long as I vowed celibacy and attended regular meetings with a mormon psychiatrist. I declined. There is nothing wrong with me, I just dont find women attractive and I never have. As a member of the Church I lied about my attractions simply because I wanted to fit in. What most people dont know about being Mormon, is that within the Church is a world in and of itself. There is a support group and friends and leaving that and walking into an empty world where there is no connection to anyone is very terrifying. The only reason i survived is because my life was not exclusively Mormon. I had secular friends and my family consisted of non-believers, baptists, and born again non-denominational christians. My leaving the Church was met with applause. Unfortunately there are alot of young men and women who leave the church and walk into a big world where they dont know anyone and they dont have any support. This documentary really hit home for me. Never has anything made me so sick in my life. I never knew that Gordon B Hinckley said those terrible things about Gay People, had I heard that as a member I would have definately lost it. This documentary was moving and emotional, it almost made me cry. More than anything it terrified me. Religion is far to personal, and far to unstable to have so much power. If we all are not careful it is only a matter of time before the churches unite, Catholic, Evagelical, Mormon etc etc and plot a global take over that we will regret. This may sound like science fiction, but as a member of the LDS Church, I saw first hand how secrets found their way into the laps of Bishops and the Higher-Ups of the Church. This is not GOD, this is plain and simple human, military strategy. The fact that my community was under attack by the Religious Right, is not what made me sick while watching this documentary, the issue of what was going on is what made me sick. Thousands, millions, of people rallied together to TAKE AWAY CIVIL RIGHTS. It is terrifying that a Church, a house of God can gather an army under hate. It could just as easily have been a rival of Jim Crow supporters. What I found funny is how in the mormon church, black people are pretty-much non-entities, however when wanting to slam the gays, the church used more photos of black people and children and families than i have every seen in all my years as a member. Funny how people can put their differences aside to unite under a blanket of hate for a group that they all hate in common.
4 of 5 people found the following review helpful
Takes your breath away Nov. 16 2012
By RVMama - Published on Amazon.com
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As I live in Utah, this came as no surprise as to what the LDS church is capable of. In this film, the church leaders say " we are a mighty army" and believe me, they are. There is no separation of church and state/government in the great state of Utah. What amazed me is how covert they can be and still see themselves as christian. Prop 8 is a gay issue....but it could be ANY issue that the LDS leaders see as a problem, and they will go after it, probably the same way they did in this film, which was so covertly. If they are such a proud and noble church, why did they push the Catholic church to be the face of this issue? Because they knew there would be a backlash against them, and because they knew there could be a problem with their tax status. Yep, a really good film that shows a scary scene that Utahns are all to familiar with.
4 of 5 people found the following review helpful
The Truth Will Out! Sept. 12 2012
By jordyn skye - Published on Amazon.com
Format: DVD Verified Purchase
A very good documentary style dvd of Mormon money, how it moves and who it shakes. Legislation in California was strongly financed by the church to get there way and yet they say they are a non political group and so pay no taxes. Existing on donation and for god.

And the legislation they wanted stopped and was in there eyes just evil was Gay Marriage.

And in there words they said such an act of 'just love' is evil!

So in 'Land Of The Free' the Mormans stopped a group of people acting out of love from doing something they wished to express.

A well researched piece of work all 'thinking' people need to see. And if your a Mormon I hope it makes you ask where your donated money to help the world find peace and love actually go.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
A Powerful Look at the Cardinal Virtue of Church-State Separation Nov. 15 2012
By Winston D. Jen - Published on Amazon.com
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Utah has the highest teen suicide rate. But why? Isn't it forbidden by the bible? Well, no; Samson's suicide is generally held up as a laudable event. The bible even clearly states that god granted him superhuman strength during his final moments. Therefore, god approves of suicide (at least if you take out several thousand of his enemies simultaneously). By extension, the bible gives Christians no reasons to oppose suicide bombing.

The tragedy behind Utah's youth suicide rate is quite simple once you learn that the majority of the state is Mormon. It is also profoundly and undeniably tragic. Under Mormon teachings, being gay is second only to murder under their collection of "sins." The threat of hell is certainly no match for the oppression, "reparative" therapies and condemnation from pulpits and parents alike. And yet the Mormon hierarchies aren't satisfied with tormenting those who were unfortunate enough to live in their state. They funded and supplied countless volunteers to pass Proposition 8 back in 2008. Needless to say, the pool of Mormon sheep blackmailed with excommunication amounted to tens of thousands of flyer-distributors, yellers and election-day "advisors." As anyone well-versed in political science is well aware, dedicated (or in this case, at least partially-coerced) volunteers can run circles around a smaller but more well-funded opposition.

Families sacrificed their childrens' college funds, retirement funds, and whatever else was demanded of them by comfortable, affluent and above all lazy clergy. And for what? For holding back social justice, compassion and understanding for a few years until the Judge Walker of California's district court declared it unconstitutional. Are the families going to receive aid from their conservative leaders who fleeced them of so much money? I highly doubt it. Utah will be profoundly dependent on the government teat (i.e. welfare) for the near future. So much for right-wing conservatism and personal responsibility. This was religious blackmail at its most pernicious.

Or consider this - convicted mass murderers on death row and sex offenders can marry the person of their choice, but gays and lesbians cannot. That likens them to slaves in the Antebellum South, who were not allowed to marry. Like the emancipated African Americans before them, members of the LGBT community gathered in throngs to get married. To equate them to slaves and imply that they are worse than murderers is both profoundly callous and bigoted. Such discriminatory laws have no place in secular societies.

By sticking its unwanted neck into the public sphere, the Mormon community unequivocably and unforgivably violated the first amendment of the US Constitution. There can be no freedom of religion without freedom FROM religion. The Mormons would no doubt throw childish hissy fits if their tax-exempt status was revoked and they were held accountable for their pernicious actions in shoving their baseless religious beliefs on the rest of California. Yet that would only be fair. There should be no governmental representation without taxation. This guiding axiom of democracy must work both ways for healthy societies to function and thrive.

I am ecstatic that NOM is now under investigation for violating the US tax code. Justice for them, and the rest of society, is past its due date, but better late than never. Hiding financial figures and the names of one's donors is a clear sign of guilt (or at the least, a profound fear of embarrassment). As the recent 2012 referenda showed, it is only a matter of time before social justice spreads across the developed world. Religion cannot stop it, and their efforts to try only make things worse for us all (how many foster children could have been helped by the money thrown down the toilet on Proposition 8?).

I would highly recommend Marriage On Trial's re-enactment of the Prop 8 Trial to see just how flimsy and unsupported the case against marriage equality is. Black, Cowan and Greenstreet deserve our respect and admiration for bringing these clandestine truths to light.

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