- Product Dimensions: 1.5 x 4.6 x 6.9 cm ; 136 g
- Shipping Weight: 540 g
- Batteries 1 Lithium ion batteries required. (included)
- Item model number: 010-00658-40
- ASIN: B0046BWRUK
- Date first available at Amazon.ca: June 23 2011
- Average Customer Review: 2 customer reviews
- Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #116,573 in Electronics (See Top 100 in Electronics)
Garmin 010-00658-40 Forerunner 410 GPS-Enabled Sports Watch (Discontinued by Manufacturer)
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In addition, i have been pleasantly surprised by how quick the Satellite connects. No more wasting time at the start of a run waiting for the Satellite to establish connecting. The 410 has cut this time in half. Fairly spendy, but well worth it if training/running is a big part of your life.
If you only do short to medium runs length runs, or are very fast, then the fact that the battery life seems to have problems might be acceptable for your situation. If you're planning on doing runs of several hours, won't be able to recharge it before every run, or won't find reboots during runs/races acceptable, then you might want to look for something other than the 410. When it works right, it really is a great tool for training. But, if you need a device you can count on, you might want to wait and see how the reviews look on the new Forerunner 610 or consider going with one of the older, cheaper, and more proven devices like the 305.
If you're still on the fence about purchasing a Forerunner 410 (or 405/405cx for that matter), I'd suggest you visit the Garmin forums (forums .garmin .com) and take a look at the posts by various owners who are having similar hardware/software related problems so you can make an informed decision.
Edited 5/1/11 - At this point my Forerunner 410 has become totally unreliable. I had taken it to Nashville to use during the Country Music Marathon yesterday. It had been fully charged and shutdown before I left. When I turned it on an hour or so before the race, it immediately said "low battery" and shut itself down. I charged it again when I got home. This morning it read 100% charged and I shut it down. This afternoon when I tried it use it, it again said "low battery" and shut itself down. I've again contacted Garmin about the problem. Maybe they'll replace it this time instead of just suggesting things like firmware updates and charge/discharge cycling.
Other things that had annoyed me about the 305, for years, were the weak beep (OK, it's my elderly ears that are weak, but the wimpy little meeyip-meeyip! alarms were usually missed if there was the slightest wind or traffic noise, regardless), and the fact that the 305 often took forever to synchronize with satellites.
So what do I like about the Forerunner 410? Plenty.
But, since all but a couple of those good things were already good features of the 305, I'll mostly talk about what annoys me. :-)
The Forerunner 410 is nicer looking and less bulky than the 305.
It has a nicer strap with a really nice "somebody was thinking" feature.
If you've had a 305, you know that you put it on your wrist, buckle it, and then wrestle the strap-end-retainer loop around your wrist until it traps the unruly free end of the strap (not an issue for you guys with wrists like tree trunks...). But then, as you move and work-out, that loop slides off and the end of the strap gets free. It does not come loose from the buckle, but it stands off from your wrist and gets caught on fabric with every swing of your arm. Annoying.
The 410 has a strap with slots instead of holes, and the tongue or tab of the buckle is a good third of an inch (almost a centimeter) wide. It slips easily into an available slot on the strap and stays secure. BUT the free-sliding loop that retains the end of the strap ALSO has a tab on its underside that slips into the free end of the watch-strap. No more slipping and sliding, and no more of the strap-end coming free and catching on everything in sight. Somebody was thinking! Good design, there.
But you want to know about more important features than that.
Go outside, stand still, switch it on (or switch the GPS mode on if the watch was already on), and it finds satellites in SECONDS. This is SO much better and more reliable than the old 305 was (is...). Both watches do a good job once they've grabbed enough satellite signals to be happy, but the 410 is ever-so-much quicker at that initial seek-and-grab of signal.
The 410 also tells you how happy it is - it tells you the current accuracy and the degree of confidence it has regarding your position, based on the number and clarity of signals it's getting. I guess the 305 did some of that, but it's more apparent in the 410.
I don't think the 305 could do this - or I never found it - the 410 detects when you've stopped moving, or slowed way down, and it automatically stops the workout counter. You no longer need to remember to pause it at every stop-light, and ESPECIALLY remember to start it again when you resume running, cycling, or whatever. That is golden! I can't tell you how many really, really short workouts I recorded with my 305, because I forgot to resume the counter after stopping for a traffic light. Of course, you can also de-select the AutoStop feature if you prefer. But I *like* it! Me, enthusiastic? You bet.
Well, it's a good idea, but it doesn't work for me nearly as well as it seems to work for some other people.
I find it both insensitive and oversensitive.
You select major categories of thing-to-do-now by touching and holding your finger on specific areas of the bezel (that ring around the outside of the glass). Top is time/date mode. Bottom brings up the main menu. Left is GPS stuff. Right is training actions.
That part works pretty well. You press and you hold and after a second or two, the desired item opens.
BUT... each one opens a menu of several selections. By default, the selected menu item is not the one you want, so you must scroll up or down. The lists are mostly short. But scrolling is accomplished by touching the bezel and immediately dragging your finger partway around the circle. Touch and drag clockwise to scroll down a displayed menu; touch and drag counter-clockwise to scroll up a menu. Fine in theory. It's really inconsistent.
What feels like the identical action to me (starting at the identical position on the bezel and dragging with a given amount of pressure) is recognized one or two times, and then ignored six or seven times in row. It's summer right now, and has been hot. I've used ONLY my naked fingertip for the purpose of bezel-swiping. Sometimes that fingertip is relatively dry. Other times it's very wet (sweaty). Makes NO difference to the Forerunner 410.
It's positively infuriating to be trying and trying to move to a menu item, and the thing just ignores the strokes. And ignores. And ignores. Maybe I touched too lightly? I try a little harder next time. No? OK... more firmly. Still no? OK, very, very firmly. No. OK, you son of a b***h, I TOUCH!! and I DRAG!!!! dammit! I'm pressing so hard my finger hurts from the friction. No go. But then, I'll wait a few seconds, cool down a bit, and try again, and it works. S**t! Why now? What changed?
Well, that's bad enough, but did I mention that the thing is also too sensitive?
The other trick it has is, while it's being caressed as described, it will suddenly start recognizing ONLY the point where the touch is lifted from the bezel. So, it won't recognize that I started up at the 11-o'clock position and dragged my finger (properly toward the outside of the bezel, with the text on it, as admonished in the booklet) all the way around to the 5-o'clock position, but as I end the stroke and lift my finger off, it decides to interpret that as a single press to open the currently-selected menu item. Recall, if you will, that the currently-selected menu item is always the one I don't want, and I'm trying to scroll away from it to the one that I *do* want.
No. So, now I'm in a sub-menu that I really didn't want, and I must back out. Thank gawd one of the two actual physical buttons on the watch does that job. OK, I'm out at the original menu, still with the wrong item highlighted. Crud. I'll try swiping-to-scroll some more.
Oh lookie... Now it's gone from "I can't feel you Mr. Sledgehammer fingers" to "The slightest swiping movement jumps two or three menu items." Stop, you son-of-a-b***h, you're going to far.... doh!
S**t! Well, I'll scroll back.... s**t again! It jumped past the desired item in the other direction.
One of the reasons that I run (ok, jog) is to keep my blood pressure down. This is NOT helping.
As you can imagine, the unpredictable sensitivity to swiping is a real annoyance, and detracts from the usability of the device. It affects most functions - you have to get to those functions, as menu items, to be able configure, start, and stop them.
So, there's one last insult, then:
The watch takes forever to shutdown. It actually shuts down very promptly as soon as you tell it do so. But first, you have to get there.
Menu > Settings > Shutdown > Yes
A firm press-and-hold on "Menu" gets you started, but then every sub-menu item must be scrolled-to before it can be opened. See above about scrolling. Yesterday, it took me two and a half minutes of increasing frenzy to finally get to Yes, so I could press "enter" (one of the two real buttons on the watch), and the scum-b*****d finally shut down. Half an hour later, my blood pressure was getting down in to "normal" range.
I have a love-hate relationship with my new (just over a week at this writing) Garmin Forerunner 410.
Heart Rate Monitor Strap
The HRM strap is a big improvement over the one that came with the 305. For one thing, it doesn't give me hickies over my diaphragm. There's no joint between hard plastic pieces to flex and pinch my skin. I think the electrodes in the new strap also make contact more readily. But I'll find out when the cold, dry weather arrives, if I have to wet the contacts when I don the strap. So far, so good, though.
The 305 connected via its charging cradle, which was a USB device.
The 410 charges via a two-contact spring clamp on a USB cable, that goes either to a computer (or USB hub) or to a dedicated power block (compact and light).
The 410 data connection, however, is exclusively by wireless ANT link. A thumb-drive-sized USB device (the ANT transceiver) plugs into your computer, and then the ANT software can recognize a nearby Forerunner 410.
Curiously, you get a progress indicator from the ANT software saying that data is being downloaded from the Forerunner 410, but that data doesn't go anywhere. If you launch the Garmin Training Center software (or even if you already had it open), you do not see a new workout session appear. Instead (at least, this is how it works for me - all software and drivers up-to-date), you have to click in Training Center to tell the program explicitly to "transfer from device". At that point, a progress window opens AGAIN, and this time the watch beeps and also says it's transferring data. At the end of that operation, the Training Center activity history list is updated with your latest workout data.
Odd, but not nearly as murderously aggravating as the bezel.
I'm not clear on what was gained by the addition of the ANT transceiver as a necessary separate device - and one that I have to carry between work and home, because I commute on foot or by bicycle and I want to save and view my numbers on both computers. I'm sure I'm going to lose that thing. It has a "lanyard" hole in one end, but it's too small for the bead-chain that I use for my keys and for my favorite 32-gig memory stick. (I prefer a flexible, floppy bead-chain rather than a key ring, because it lies flat in my pocket and doesn't create wear-points on my pants - you wanted to know that, I'm sure.)
Anyway, that's what I can think of, for now, regarding the Garmin Forerunner 410.
For me, it's a mixed bag. Perhaps I'll learn the knack of the insensitive/overly-sensitive bezel controls and thereby learn to love the thing entirely. Meanwhile... like I said... love-hate.
I gave it three stars, because I can't give it two-and-a-half.
Seriously, if that bezel worked for me the way some other people say it works for them, I would give this beast a solid 5. Until then, it gets massive demerit points for that one flaw that affects all usage of the device.
[EDIT] After some thought, I believe I might have a notion what's going on with the stupid bezel. It's the material they used, and the surface treatment. when my fingers are a bit moist... oh... say... when I'm... um... exercising? Yeah, then, the only time I use the bloody device. When my fingers are a bit moist, the skin does not pass smoothly along the 410's bezel. Instead, it's a series of microscopic grabs and releases - maybe juddering is the word - not a smooth progress, but a lot of tiny jumps, during which it is sometimes not in good electrical contact. Probably the debounce algorithm isn't up to smoothing that frequency range.
In other words, if they insist on the surface they've selected, then it should be a relatively easy firmware update to filter the kind of skipping, shuddering, non-glide that occurs when some people's skin is moist, but not sloppy-wet.
Or so I'm guessing, anyway. Too bad companies like Garmin (and plenty of others) monitor review sites like this, but don't interact and offer solutions/work-arounds. I really wish I could have a smoother experience with my Forerunner 410.
I was concerned about Mac compatibility. Garmin seems to have fixed this as I'm having no problems at all with uploads/downloads, or use of Garmin Training Center or Garmin Connect on my Mac.
As for criticisms - It's still a pretty big watch. I find myself wearing it some on weekends when I'm not running, but I wouldn't wear it to work or anything. I don't think one would want it any smaller though, as the smaller readouts would be difficult to read. Also, at first glance, charging by way of the clip seemed a little chincy to me - but I can't think of a better way to do it and it works just fine.
All in all, if you can swing $325 for a well made, functional tool that will make your running more fun (but will not do the running for you and will not make you any faster) I highly recommend this watch.
I usually run with auto laps (1 mile) and have the display show me the average pace in the current lap, as well as the overall distance. I used to display actual current pace, time and distance, but the actual pace is "jumping" up and down, whereas the average over a mile is more stable and I can run my training or race one mile at a time. Try this setting, and you will never go back.
The watch also allows you to set up interval training, beeping to remind you when intervals begin or end, keeping the count for you. A very useful feature!
I also used the heart rate monitor, it works fine.
If you are a serious runner and never had a GPS watch before, get one asap. You will run much more and your training will be more structured and efficient. I upload all my runs to the web (Garmin Connect), where I can see my runs on Google (now Bing) maps along with the heart rate, the pace and other statistics.
Very happy with the watch. (I wish, they made it a bit less expensive though)