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The Timaeus-Critias is a Platonic treatise in two parts. A response to an account of an ideal state told by Socrates, it begins with Timaeus' theoretical exposition of the cosmos and his story describing the creation of the universe, from its very beginning to the coming into being of man. Timaeus introduces the idea of a creator God and expounds the structure and composition of the physical world. The Critias, the second part of Plato's work, comprises an account of the rise and fall of Atlantis, an ancient, mighty and prosperous empire ruled by the descendents of Poseidon, which ultimately sank into the sea. A key Platonic text, the Timaeus - Critias formed a central basis to Western thought and influenced subsequent philosophical doctrine.
In his introduction, Thomas Johansen discusses how the Timaeus - Critias relates to Plato's work and ancient thought, and explores the main themes of the dialogue. This edition includes explanatory illustrations, a summary of Timeaus' contents and notes on the text.
Translated and annotated by Desmond Lee
Translation revised and further annotated with an introduction by Thomas Kjeller Johansen
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Early physics...sort of,
By Carl Slim (the factory) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Penguin Classics Timaeus And Critias (Paperback)
Plato is deep. That can't be emphasized enough. He deals more with physics in "Timaeus" than in any other extant work. This is not so much a belief system, or paradigm, presented, so much as ideas. Nowhere does Plato actually endorse these views (although they are well worth learning). He sort of asks the reader to listen with an open mind, and THEN be critical. I found something interesting in one of the parts on geometric physics that seems to have excaped every commentater I am aware of,so who knows what else is still hidden after more than 2,000 years?You get Atlantis stories, flood myths, the Atomic theory, evolution/reincarnation, medical/biological theory, and creation myth. Running through some parts is some very interesting (to me, at least) mathematics. All from one of (if not the) clearest mind(s) I have ever read. Not to mention an excellent writer. "Critias" is unfinished, whether it was left that way, or the ending has been lost. It's the earliest tale of Atlantis we have (Atlantis is only discussed very briefly in "Timaeus"). It can be taken as a morality parable. On the other hand, it may also be a myth that found it's way to Plato...or even a relatively accurate historical account. Or all of the above. Because, like I said: Plato is deep.
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Plato's Science and Psychology,
This review is from: Penguin Classics Timaeus And Critias (Paperback)
Desmond Lee, the translator of the Penguin edition of Timaeus andCritias, claims his goal is an accurate representation of Plato's thought, as opposed to maintaining style or convention. Indeed, despite the purported obscurity of the original Greek, his work plainly reveals Plato's ideas. Timaeus presents some of Plato's clearest statements on issues related to science and psychology, the focus of this review. Lee provides a good introduction, section summaries, and helpful diagrams of Plato's ideas, but few footnotes and no index. Incidentally, Timaeus and Critias introduce astrology and the famous story of Atlantis, one of the most intriguing mysteries in literature. Lee writes an appendix on Atlantis, pointing out its mythical qualities, clarifying Plato's descriptions with maps, and outlining the case for its historical origins. This edition would be a good choice for readers interested in the source material for the Atlantis legend and a summary of its ramifications, with a short bibliography. The importance of Timaeus, however, is its presentation of Plato's philosophy in its maturity, one relevant to science. Materialism dominates Western culture today. Briefly, materialism Plato's philosophy denies that reality is only material objects, because Plato's model consists of a perfect eternity of Being having ideal Plato casts his psychology as the workings of the soul. Timaeus refines Today, Plato's descriptions of creation, physical and biological processes,
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The Atlantis Stories & Other Far-Fetched Theories,
By paisleymonsoon (Tulsa, Oklahoma) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Penguin Classics Timaeus And Critias (Paperback)
Plato was an excellent thinker. He wasn't afraid to just take hold of an idea and develop it beyond normal reckoning. During a time when science did not provide the answers people sought, philosophers provided their own answers. Timaeus begins with a dialogue discussing the perfect society and if it ever could or ever did exist. It goes on into a dialogue of how god created man with relation to the four elements (earth,wind,fire, and water). He tries to answer questions about why we get sick and the nature of colors. Critias is devoted entirely to Plato's tale of the lost Atlantis which was "as large as Asia & Libya combined" -- not quite a city, but a continent. He begins by telling that Poiseidon had 5 sets of twin boys (with a human mother). He set these boys as the rulers of different cities in Atlantis. The capital was fortified by concentric rings of water and land that were only later connected by bridges. Plato says that Critias had heard the story of Atlantis from his grandfather, who had heard it from Salon, who had in turn heard it from his travels in Egypt. There is the possibility that Plato's rendition of the Atlantis story was based in reality, but probably as trumped up as other versions of the story. This book is great at the beginning and the end, but the middle section is so full of obviously scientifically inaccurate information that it's difficult to keep turning the pages to get to "the good part" about Atlantis.
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