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Primordial Experience: An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation
 
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Primordial Experience: An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation [Paperback]

Manjusrimitra , Namkhai Norbu , Kennard Lipman
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The Tibetan teaching of Dzog-chen (pronounced ZOAK-chen), also known as Ati yoga, is considered by its adherents to be the definitive and most secret teaching of the Buddha. Primordial Experience is a translation of a key text articulating the Dzog-chen teachings, "Gold Refined from Ore," by Mañjusrimitra, an Indian disciple of the first teacher of Ati yoga. According to the Dzog-chen teachings, purity of mind is always present and only needs to be recognized.

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5.0 out of 5 stars Authentic, Oct 21 2009
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Simon Vigneault (Halifax, Canada) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Primordial Experience: An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation (Paperback)
Don't be deceived by the negative review: this book is about as well-written as it could be and is meant as a textbook that can be repetitively studied toward understanding what is, in fact, a difficult subject. Studying a basic overview of Buddhist philosophy first would be a good idea, if you haven't done so already. The authors take every pain to get across the authentic dharma: this is not a mere intellectual exercise but a real, intensely focused effort to help the reader obtain the meditative fruit, under the guidance of a lama of high meditative and scholarly attainment (Norbu), by a highly trained translator (Lipman) with the fascinating addition of someone helping refine the language (Simmons) who was a long-time correspondent of the poet-translator Ezra Pound.
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2.0 out of 5 stars Very Poorly Written, July 10 2004
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grouper52 (Silverdale, WA United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Primordial Experience: An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation (Paperback)
There seems to be an unwritten law in reviews of Dharma books that one cannot give them anything less than four stars nor say anything negative about them. I believe this is done out of respect for the Dharma, perhaps even in the spirit of keeping our refuge vows. Yet I believe this is a misguided form of respect, and actually shows a lack of respect for the Dharma, and I believe that this is especially true when we are not merely reviewing someone's Dharma teaching but reviewing someone's attempt to make a buck off their Dharma teaching by getting us to buy their book. While there are many wonderful Dharma texts in English, the number of poor ones is astonishing and sad, and I cannot imagine this phenomena would go without comment in any other field of learning. Within Buddhism the books on Dzogchen are by far the worst. With only a few exceptions that I have run across (The Golden Letters and Self-Liberation Through Seeing With Naked Awareness by John Reynolds, and a handful of books on the union of Mahamudra and Dzogchen by various folks), they are by far the worst body of literature I have ever come upon.

Well this book is not among the few exceptions: It is dreadful. After the read-one-you've-read-them-all forward by Namkai Norbu we have a quite pitiful preface by the author entitled "How This Book Was Written", followed by "A Note" by a psychologist who "collaborated" in the translation in order, if I understand things correctly, to keep the translators from writing gibberish. Despite invoking Ezra Pound and Fritz Perls and who knows what other deities, the sad thing is that he failed miserably: This book is the epitome of the gibberish I've grown so tired of in this body of literature. It's also got the usual confusion as to whether it wants to be a scholarly text, with all sorts of arcane notes and appendices at the end, or "An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation" as it is subtitled.

Only two things keep this book from being a complete disaster. First, unlike many Dzogchen books, it has some organization to it. After the preliminaries, the book begins with an introductory section containing a short section on the text and its author, then a thoroughly incomprehensible section that I think is trying to lay the philosophical and psychological underpinnings of the root text, followed by an equally incoherent section on meditation. Then there is the root text (more later), followed by an astounding line-by-line commentary on that text: astounding because it actually obscures any clarity or insight one might have gained from the root text! I would not have thought it possible! The book then ends with 44 pages of assorted academic stuff. So the broad outlines of the book make sense, even if the actual writing usually doesn't.

Second, the other saving grace is the actual thirteen pages of verses that make up the translation of Manjushrimitra's root text. This is a highly revered text that dates to the early days of the Dzogchen tradition, and there is, unfortunately, no other English translation. If you like to read such historic root texts and already know a fair amount about the subject matter, the language is slightly more straightforward than elsewhere and you might get something out of reading it, but really not anything you can't find better articulated in other books.

In general and in summary, I just find it hard to believe this book is going to move a single sentient being even a nano-iota closer to enlightenment. If you're really interested in reading about and practicing Dzogchen and have received the transmission, I'd really suggest you spend your money on John Reynolds' books, and spend your time practicing. This book is a waste of both.

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4.0 out of 5 stars A Must-Have for Your Atiyoga Library, Sep 29 2002
This review is from: Primordial Experience: An Introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation (Paperback)
This book contains the 157 verses by Manjusrimitra describing the experience of the state of pure and total presence which was revealed to him through the first human rDogs-chen master, Garab Dorje.

But the commentary for some of the verses reveal that there is inadequate understanding. For example, verse 122 which reads:

"The ways of overcoming (limitations), the facets (of pure and total presence), the four forms of ever-fresh awareness of the alikeness (of everything),, which are undisturbed (by negative conditions), are known in this (practice)."

The commentary reads:

"The four forms of ever-fresh awareness that thoroughly grasp teh fundamental alikeness (that characterizes) the ultimate content of what is and that are are conditioned by any obstacles; the thirty-seven facets of pure and total presence; the ten ways of overcoming (limitations), etc.; and that which is positive for an individual (relatively speaking), as well as all the positive qualities that belong to the level of the ultimate goal, are known quickly through the reflexive flash of knowing that gives awareness it quality, and brought together in the teaching of the true sense of cultivation".

Another point which I would like to point out is that it is better to read the 157 verses, think about them before reading the commentary. Do not agree with the commentary blindly.

Overall, this book provides good information about rDogs-chen philosophy.

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