26 of 27 people found the following review helpful
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I really like everything about this unit and it seems to work great so far in the short time I've had it. The book that comes with it is very well written and really helps you understand how to use this the right way. The DVD was not as good as the book but I'm sure it is very helpful to some. I am only training a family pet not a hunting dog. Unfortunately I have to exchange this for the SD-425 (non stubborn dog) model because it is too powerful for my 65 lb. lab mix. He is not a very tough dog (my last lab had an incredible pain tolerance) but even on the lowest possible setting he jumps every time I hit the nick button. This is a bigger reaction than you should be looking for under normal training conditions. I have not even used the continuous stimulation button.
I only give 4 stars because there is a very important feature on this unit and the SD-425 that is not highlighted in the product description. Had I known about it I would have bought the SD-425 the first time. You can program 2 different power settings into these. This model has a medium and high setting. So you have 7 levels of stimulation in medium or 7 levels in high depending on how you set it up. The SD-425 (non stubborn) model has a low level and medium level. So if you're concerned that the SD-425 might not be enough for your dog you have the option to program the unit to medium power which gives you 7 higher levels of stimulation equal to the SD-425s (on medium setting). This is a very important feature and should be clearly explained in the product description. In fact it is not mentioned at all in the SD-425s description.
So even though my dog has a lower pain tolerance he's not a complete wimp. Given that he's a 65 lb. lab and the lowest possible setting is too much I'd say this unit is very powerful. I think the SD-425 (non stubborn dog) model with the ability to up the stimulation levels to medium power would be enough for almost any dog.
One final note...I've noticed reviews on many of the "e collars" where people claim they don't work no matter what level they set it to. Chances are there is nothing wrong with the collar. They just don't have it tight enough. If the prongs do not go through the fur and make contact with the dogs skin the dog does not get any stimulation. It has to be pretty snug and you may even have to shave the length of hair down where the collar sits on the neck. I found when the collar was not quite tight enough it would either work intermittently or not at all. I would have to snug it up by a hole or two and then it would work perfectly. This was the same with the last one of these I had (different brand) for my previous dog.
9 of 9 people found the following review helpful
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I have a yellow lab. I consider him extremely intelligent and has at least a 10 to 20 word vocabulary. Come, Stay, Sit, Wait, Gentile, No, Come, Show me the drill, (He runs into his create for a treat) Down, Stop, Play, Go get it, and a few others. He fetches well in the back yard. In the front yard forget it. One note: he is also a rescue. (Last stop) so to speak. I figure as a result of his abuse as a puppy he was quite a handful. Long story short, after 2 years "Tugger" was not the same dog we brought home. Much improved but still some issues with guests and especially food. We had some success, but some behaviors still persisted. Bolting out the front door for one. Running in front of moving vehicles, chasing cars, people, kids on bikes. On a leash he was also problematic. We tried chokers, harnesses etc.. I also had a problem with the Mrs... even ordering this, but for the sake of the dog I needed to try something else. When it arrived I followed all the instructions and let it charge over night. The following morning I even tried all the settings on myself. Getting up past 4 was painful. 7 was downright painful, but at least I had a understanding of what he would experience. My results: After putting the collar on Tugger. I hit the tone then the vibrate while still in the house so I could see his reaction. I wish I had video becasue it was a riot. Opened the front door and off he went like a gazelle. He ran right into the street. When I called him and pressed the tone button, nothing. Called him again and pressed the vibrate, nada.. Not even lifted his head in acknowledgement. I quickly spun the dial to 7, gave another command which was ignored as well and let him have it! I swear he jumped 6 feet in the air. I called "TUGGER" again and he immediately came to my side. I told him to sit which was so immediate it made a thump when his butt hit the ground. I said "OK lets go" and I started walking. I think I gave him one shot at the 1 setting during our 2 mile walk. He stayed close and healed on command. He stayed right by my side. Fast forward 2 months. He is still a bit rushed out the door but will wait till I cross the threshold if I insist. But he doesn't leave the porch without me. When I grab the collar he gets all excited because it means we are going for a walk. There was a time when the kids put the collar on him but forgot to turn it on. We went for our usual 2 mile walk without issue. When we got back home i took the collar off and thats when I noticed it wasn't even turned on. Our walks are fun and we both enjoy it now. We regularly go to the park up the street and regardless if there are dogs or people around he looks to me for permission to venture too from my side. From day one with this device the transformation was instantaneous. I wish I hadn't waited so long before getting it. If he ventures to far from me a simple "COME" and a press of the tone button and he immediately responds without hesitation. That's my experience. great device. Humane, quick results.
4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
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This thing is great. LONG battery life, great range, and many options for strength that works perfectly for a very stubborn Wheaton Terrier. Used this to curb the last couple of behaviors that we couldn't get rid of with positive reinforcement.
I tried one of the cheap $40 collars first - what a waste of time - no battery life and never even phased the dog.
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I Bought this trainer for my 75lb German Shepard who WAS very stubborn now when she is given a command she does it the first time i only had to use the stimulate a few times i use to give her the tone then vibrate then the stimulation now the tone is enough the best thing i ever bought for my dog
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- works consistently, every time, without having to guess if the stimulation was delivered (so far)
- rechargeable batteries with long battery life (battery powered models eat up a lot of batteries even in standby mode)
- simple to operate
- transmitter smaller than was expecting based on photo (size of the smallest flip phone)
- tone is NOT automatically sent with every "stimulation" but rather via separate button, which means if you never use the tone to correct BAD behavior you can train your dog to respond positively to tone signals, like coming to you when he's too far away to hear you calling his name.
- packaging. Wrapping it in a sealed box is one thing. But inside that box, it's sealed up in plastic tough enuf you need tin snips to cut it open so don't buy except from trusted seller like Amazon that has a no fuss return policy.
SD-425 model or SD-425S model for "stubborn dogs"?
Owners use these collars mainly for 2 reasons: to train hunting dogs from a distance too far to always be shouting commands, or to correct unwanted behavior. I've trained dogs for 40 years. I can't imagine a stubborn dog would be a good candidate as a hunting dog. So I have to guess the "stubborn dog" model was invented to correct bad behavior.
Some reviewers have said the S model emits too strong a shock even on the lowest setting. I've tested it on myself so I know for a fact that it is equivalent to a hard tickle, unpleasant but nothing that would make a dog yelp in pain. If for some reason, the lowest setting is still too strong for your dog, you can always just use the vibrate mode but at least you have the higher intensity in case your dog develops new behaviors, like blindly charging out of the yard into dangerous traffic.
BTW, you owe it to your dog to test the stimulation level on yourself (unless you have a heart pacemaker) so you know what kind of jolt your dog is getting, that it is humane.
I've not trained sport dogs but have used these collars to correct unwanted behavior like random barking, digging, running along a fence barking at every pedestrian, getting them to stop sleeping on a certain pieces of furniture, etc.
Different trainers have different methods, but here's what has worked for me:
- dogs are incredibly smart and will learn quickly, literally in one day. If proper procedure is followed, I've never had to "stimulate" a dog more than 3 times to stop any bad behavior, and that includes dogs that their owners have said have been uncontrollable barkers for 6 yrs. In fact the older the dog, the easier it is to correct bad behavior.
- but they can also learn just as quickly that they only are getting zapped when the collar is on. I suggest you have the dog wear the collar a week before using it AND once ur dog has corrected his behavior be prepared to for the dog to wear the collar for several months afterwards, esp when you're not home or in situations that generally would trigger his bad behavior, to the point that he's long forgotten his bad behavior even though you no longer have to stimulate him.
- dogs are smart enough to even notice if you're wearing the transmitter around your neck. Carry it in your jacket pocket instead.
- anticipate your dog's behavior: if he jumps out of bed in the morning and the first thing he does is head for the front window to bark, put the collar on BEFORE he gets up.
- modify one behavior at a time.
- the instructions say to give a command followed by a "stimulation". The only verbal command that should be given is "no" or "stop". And then only if you or multiple members in a family have yelled "no" at the dog so many times for so long that he's learned there are no consequences to not listening to you.
- Although humane, a stimulation is at least irritating to mildly painful depending on the needed setting. A painful zap will never train a dog to respond positively (as in coming, heeling or sitting). That's like calling for your dog downstairs to come up to your bedroom and then yelling at him for chewing the shoes you just found -- trust me, the dog will think twice before he comes running next time you call him.
- my preferred approach is to NOT to give any verbal command. If you don't want the dog on the white sofa, watch him. When he jumps up, zap him, SAY NOTHING and just watch him jump off. He'll look confused, maybe shake his head but generally after no more than 3 attempts he'll realize that sofa is no longer a pleasant place to nap and will instead go sleep on the leather sofa. And don't let him in the room with that white sofa unless you are around to correct his behavior again if needed. That way, the dog is "tricked" into believing there's something suddenly uncomfortable about that sofa or his action is causing the zap, whether you are around or not.
Should your dog yelp or run to you confused wondering why he just got stimulated, just reassure him with comforting words, like "what happened baby?" He'll quickly associate the zap with the bad behavior and not because YOU issued the command and therefore will stay off that white sofa even if you are not around.
These collars are NOT a replacement or short cut for proper basic training. But if used correctly they are invaluable in correcting single or isolated bad behaviors.