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System Identification: Theory for the User [Hardcover]

Lennart Ljung (Author)
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Appropriate for courses in System Identification. This book is a comprehensive and coherent description of the theory, methodology and practice of System Identification--the science of building mathematical models of dynamic systems by observing input/output data. It puts the user in focus, giving the necessary background to understand theoretical foundation and emphasizing the practical aspects of the options and choices that face the user. The Second Edition has been updated to include material on subspace methods, non-linear black box models--such as neural networks--and methods that use frequency domain data.

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A complete, coherent description of the theory, methodology, & practice of System Identification. This completely revised second edition introduces subspace methods that utilize frequency domain data, & general non-linear black box methods, including neural networks & neuro-fuzzy modeling.
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4.0 out of 5 stars A Complete Text for System Identification, Sep 12 2001
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Chris S. Edrington (Rolla, MO United States) - See all my reviews
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This book is very through in presenting methods of system identification...mathematically. However as with most good mathematical oriented books there are not a lot of practical design type problems. One other mark aginst the book is that similar notation is used for different topics, which can sometimes be a bit confusing. One thing I might recommend, to a potential buyer is that you take a course in random process, and possess a through understanding of signals and transforms. All in all though if a little more meat in terms of practicality were added I'd rate this book a five.
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5.0 out of 5 stars excellent book, Feb 19 2001
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An excellent textbook for engineers, and a necessary reference for Matlab toolbox (System Identification).
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2.0 out of 5 stars Poorly written book for the engineer. Might be useful for a mathemtician, Oct 3 2007
By scotthew "bigmbooks" - Published on Amazon.com
This review is from: System Identification: Theory for the User (Hardcover)
Let me be the first to slam this book as having little practical use. The author uses a very unconventional, inconsistent notation that renders this book virtually unreadable. This is coming from somebody who has taken various courses in probability/stochastic processes, system dynamics, controls, and Kalman filtering.

The "theory" part in the title is dead on, but what about the "for the user" part? What user is this referring to, an ivory tower professor? Most of the problems at the end of each chapter begin with "prove", which in my opinion makes this a math book and not an engineering text. A practical example never surfaces in the text.


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4.0 out of 5 stars A Complete Text for System Identification, Sep 12 2001
By Chris S. Edrington - Published on Amazon.com
This review is from: System Identification: Theory for the User (Hardcover)
This book is very through in presenting methods of system identification...mathematically. However as with most good mathematical oriented books there are not a lot of practical design type problems. One other mark aginst the book is that similar notation is used for different topics, which can sometimes be a bit confusing. One thing I might recommend, to a potential buyer is that you take a course in random process, and possess a through understanding of signals and transforms. All in all though if a little more meat in terms of practicality were added I'd rate this book a five.

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3.0 out of 5 stars Notational Inconsistency killed this book, Jan 2 2008
By Jayant E. Kulkarni - Published on Amazon.com
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I have two system identification books on my table right now: One is by Prof Ljung and the other is 'Time Series: Theory and Methods' by Profs. Brockwell and Davis, and I must say that I refer to the latter much more often than the former. The primary reason for this is that Prof. Ljung's book uses notation very inconsistently. This makes for very difficult reading. On the other hand 'Time Series: T&M' is consistent and an excellent resource. Both books are of an advanced nature, suitable for graduate students. Again, 'Time Series T&M' is more rigorous.

Nonetheless, if you plan on using Matlab's Sys Id toolbox, I would recommend Prof. Ljung's book. He wrote the toolbox, and he refers heavily in the Matlab documentation to the book.
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