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Product Details

  • Hardcover: 368 pages
  • Publisher: Thomas Dunne Books (Nov. 8 2011)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 9780312535834
  • ISBN-13: 978-0312535834
  • ASIN: 031253583X
  • Product Dimensions: 15.1 x 3.4 x 21.4 cm
  • Shipping Weight: 454 g
  • Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars 3 customer reviews
  • Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #390,955 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
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“David Moody spins paranoia into a deliciously dark new direction.”
—Jonathan Maberry, New York Times bestselling author of Patient Zero

Praise for Hater

“A head-spinning thrill ride . . . Hater will haunt you long after you read the last page.”
—Guillermo Del Toro, director of Pan’s Labyrinth and Hellboy

“Be careful with Hater. Chapter by chapter it will make its way into your soul till it finds the seed of evil that lurks within.”
—J.A. Bayona, director of The Orphanage

“Powerful and well-written.”
—S. M. Stirling, author of Dies the Fire

“David Moody’s Hater is a brutal, eerie, and hugely entertaining novel that grips you with its grim and nihilistic attitude from page one.”
—Tom Piccirilli, Bram Stoker Award--winning author

Praise for Dog Blood

“Lean, relentless, and terrifying.”
—Kirkus Reviews

“If Hater gives you nightmares, Dog Blood will rewire your brain.”

“Gory and relentlessly tense.”
—Publishers Weekly

“Moody is an inarguably talented author, and Dog Blood further cements his reputation as one of the best horror authors of the new decade.”

About the Author

David Moody is the author of Hater, Dog Blood, Autumn and Autumn: The City. He grew up in Birmingham, England, on a diet of horror movies and post-apocalyptic fiction. He started his career working at a bank, but then decided to write the kind of fiction he loved. His first novel, Straight to You, had what Moody calls “microscopic sales,” and so when he wrote Autumn, he decided to publish it online. The book became a sensation and has been downloaded by half a million readers. He started his own publishing company, Infected Books. He lives in Britain with his wife and a houseful of daughters, which may explain his preoccupation with Armageddon.

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Format: Hardcover
Them or Us is the finale in David Moody's Hater trilogy. Hater started off with a bang and never let up, while Dog Blood was a bit slower and more philosophical IMO. Hater for me was an excellent book, with no flaws that I noticed, and one that I recommended over and over. Dog Blood was quite good, but I felt the intensity was off a bit and I felt put off by some aspects of the story (like a 5 year old girl killing full grown adult men with ease).

After dozens of nuclear warheads are used on the major cities and wipe out thousands, if not millions of Unchanged and Haters, the country has turned into an apocalyptic wasteland, where crops won't grow and supplies are scarce. Danny McCoyne makes his way to the sea and winds up in a small coastal town which once was a tourist hotspot, now just a ramshackle bunch of ruins dominated by Haters. In true Darwinian fashion, the strongest Haters are at the top of the food chain and receive the best food and rewards, while the weaker ones, like Danny, sit at the bottom and scavenge whatever scraps they can from their overlords.

Danny's ability to hold his hate attracts the attention of the leader of the community, Hinchcliffe, who turns Danny into a confidant and sends him out on missions he can't trust his fellow alpha-males and females to do, including infiltrating pockets of Unchanged and scouting his nearby Hater rivals.

The book is bleak, stark, and horrific, and paints a picture of a dying civilization. I loved every page. Ultimately, the book basically asks, what happens to the hunters when there is nothing left to hunt? Moody's answer is that the hunters will begin to prey on those weaker than themselves.

If you're looking for a gritty portrayal of the apocalypse in the same vein as Cormac's The Road, look no further. Them or Us is fantastic.
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Format: Hardcover
I love David Moody's books and usually thouroughly enjoy sitting down and devouring each book and come away very, very satisfied.

Unfortunately, I didn't with this one. The third installment of David's "Haters" series, "Them or Us" continues the story of a post-apocaliptic England where a virus has swept the country and the world causing individuals to turn on their friends and family. The virus causes each person to see anyone who is not infected as a potential threat and the need to emliminate each threat no matter who it is.

This book follows the lead character, Danny McCoyne, as he tries to survive in a world where unaffected "humans" are becoming few and far between. So what happens to a bunch of violent killers when there is no more enemy to kill?

Danny spent the first 2 books looking for his infected daughter which gave the reader something to relate to Danny with and want to follow him on his journey through this wasted land. But, "Them or Us" doesn't have that hook to keep you wanting to know what happens next. When the main character has pretty much given up and has absolutely no forward momentum it makes for a hard slow read.

Where David Moody's Autumn series and his first 2 books in the Haters series all snap along at an amazing pace and even in the slower parts, the characters keep you interested, it's just not here for some reason.

For me, it was a bit of a let down but I always tell people, "That's just me" You need to read it for yourself and no matter how I felt about this one book, David Moody is an amazing writer and you really need to pick his books up. They are amazing!
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Format: Hardcover
The concept for this series is really interesting but there isn't a great deal of depth to the books and they are pretty short compared to their cost. If they were compiled into one it would be a book worth purchasing. I'd file this under 'great idea, poor execution'.
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HASH(0xa51b1024) out of 5 stars Disappointed Nov. 18 2011
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Mr Moody sucked me in, and I have certainly given him a good chunk of money. I'm a big fan of his Autumn series, and I was really looking forward to the conclusion of the Hater trilogy. Unfortunately, i didn't think it lived up to the expectations. Hater did a great job of creating the paranoia one would expect based on the premise. I actually liked Dog Blood even more; seeing the potential for some excellent irony and a great twisting ending. I just don't think he quite got it on this one. Danny doesn't act much like a protagonist in this one, mostly getting dragged along by whoever else is currently in the picture. The story just didn't really ever feel like it had legs; it couldn't go anywhere. It was almost as though he painted himself into a corner, and didn't know how to get the story out.

Don't get me wrong, i finished it, and it was ok. but i had such high expectations after Dog Blood.

But let's face it, if you've read the first two, you're going to read this one. i might just recommend borrowing a copy.
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa51b1450) out of 5 stars Better than the first two, but too little too late. March 21 2013
By Mike V. - Published on
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The final book in the Hater trilogy picks up a little while after the events at the end of the second book. It sees Danny McCoyne falling in with another group of Haters who have set up a barely-functioning settlement. It covers his attempts to come to grips with the world that he has been left in the wake of the virtual extinction of the Unchanged.

This book is particularly well-written, though not as quick of a read as the other two as a result. Moody does a much better job of creating an environment for the characters to move through in this one than in the first two books. The book has a decidedly post-WWIII book feel to it and Moody effectively nails the pathetic existence of most inhabitants of the world.

The problem with this series has always that once the main character becomes the monster he rockets to the top of the food chain - there's no tension that made the 1st half of the first book so suspenseful because the narrator has nothing to fear. Thankfully, the third book does something to reinject some tension, though it is not the same kind of paranoia "who's a Hater and who's not?" that we saw in the first book. Nevertheless it works. Also to the books benefit is the fact that much of the self-reflection and whining that Danny does in the first two books tends to fade away as McCoyne basically just gives up. This, in a sad testament to how unlikable of a character he was previously, actually made me like him more.

The problem remains that the author still continues to sidestep how the Haters are really different from the Unchanged and why they hate them so much. Without even a basic rationale, the premise falters as the reader continually asks "Yes, but why?" In the end, I find that I don't mind as much in this one, primarily because the book comes to grips better with the fact that the characters eventually needed to realize how illogical the entire situation was and there is at least some recognition and discussion of that. Furthermore, the fact that the topic of what comes next has been voiced by several characters in the series up to this point and then basically swept under the rug is finally brought up.

Ultimately, I like this book quite a bit more than the first two, even though I originally began reading it simply out of wanting to be a completist. I suspect that I would have given this book more than 2 stars if I hadn't had to wade through all of the problems of the first two (particularly the second) to get to a more polished story. The book also tends to be a bit over long and the last 50 pages feels a bit forced as far as sudden epiphanies
6 of 8 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa51b14a4) out of 5 stars Didn't stick the landing Jan. 10 2012
By Eric M. Henry - Published on
Format: Hardcover
I loved the first two novels. I can't recall ever reading novels anything like them. The finale in this trilogy is not up to par with the other two books.

The protagonist in the story comes across as whiny and weak. Towards the end of the book I just wanted him to die so that I could stop reading about his "adventures." There were multiple times that I kept reading in a state of bewilderment, Danny is such a smart a$$ and so insubordinate towards everyone, that it's annoying to the reader and confusing as to why he's able to get away with it for so long.

The dialogue is another weak aspect of this story. The dialogue often goes on for far too long yet it doesn't really convey all that much information.

Again, I loved the first two books in this series, and if you read those, you'll probably pick up this book as well. Just be warned, it feels so divorced of the other two as if to be its own thing. So I'm still waiting on the conclusion to the "Hater" trilogy...
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa51b17ec) out of 5 stars A fittingly bleak end Jan. 14 2012
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The central message and theme of this book resonate very well against its dark and unforgiving landscape and cast of characters. The narrative, especially the first person portions, will haunt you for a long time after you finish reading. This is speculative horror at its best. It makes you speculate. It also mirrors society through a disturbingly accurate metaphor for modern "me-me-me" society. If the end comes, it won't be zombies. It will be us, and we will only have our own natures to blame. For Moody, armageddon isn't an outside force. The "Change" that triggers events in Hater, at first appears similar to Umbrella-Corporation or viral/supernatural zombie outbreaks. But the more the reader and protagonist/anti-hero Danny McCoyne come to understand it, the change and resultant war only amplifies a basic behavioral flaw we all share and very few overcome. To me, this is what sets these three novels above others of their ilk. The tragedies caused by the change, and the fantastically quick breakdown of society it entails, are eerily familiar to the tragedies one reads about in headlines daily. "Them or Us" takes those into every home, every family, every filthy scrap of refugee clothing it depicts and forces the reader to consider a very real abyss into which society could fall. And he does it all with sharp, efficient prose, and an absolute attention to the motivations (and growing lack of motivation) of his first person narrator. If you've read the others, this is a must read. If you haven't, pick up Hater, and you'll find yourself drawn in by an utterly original series that can't just be laughed off as fantasy.
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HASH(0xa51b1768) out of 5 stars A perfect ending to a perfect series July 23 2014
By Lauren Hitzhusen - Published on
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I feel like I had to wait literally forever for this book to come out. Like, I was basically halfway through college before this book was in my hands thanks to Amazon. I was a little disappointed in the US cover design, but that doesn’t fault what’s inside the book.
We return to the world of the Haters and the Unchanged. Our main character, Danny, is still struggling with his Hate. But this world is darker. They’re living in a post-nuclear explosion wasteland. Danny still wants to find his daughter, but things are looking bleak. The Hate holds him from his humanity, which he is desperately leaning towards.
This book made me realize I hate David Moody in the best possible way. I hate how good of a writer he is. I hate that he sucks me in with every page and I sit there, begging for something good to happen to this character I’ve grown so attached to. When I finished the book (in less than two days, I might add), I screamed NO so loudly that I scared one of my campers! David Moody is a heartbreaker in the best sense of the word. I have never felt cheated by him during this whole series.
Honestly, if you’re interested even remotely in the world of Hater, you need to finish the series. This book is the perfect end to the series. Yes, there are some loose ends, but they’re acceptable—they are realistic. That’s one thing I love about David Moody—he is a realist, through and through. His characters face hell—and they do so in the way that an actual human being would. If you’re tired of zombies, read this series. I’m telling you—it’ll grip you and give you a good shake.