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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
like ESPN itself, more miss than hit,
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This review is from: Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN (Hardcover)
Oral histories are often great but this one you certainly can skip over so much of it. Although I am fascinated by the business aspect of any corporation the bottom line after you read this is basically until ABC/Disney came along with some cash, ESPN was next to nothing. All the pages about how the company became the worldwide leader in talking head sports programming but not actual live sports is kind of repetitive.
The salaciousness is also incredibly childish. You often wonder how stupid sports highlight guys are and they seem to be to the nth degree at ESPN. Chris "None of the Player Nicknames I Make Ever Stick" Berman comes across as he does on TV--a blowhard. The only interesting guys are the guys who were interesting on the air (Olbermann, Patrick and Kilburn). The rest are identikit talking heads. Maybe as a Canadian we've had it good from Vancouver's local Sports Page to now TSN's SportsCentre and Sportsnet Connected, but I don't get the appeal of Sportscenter in the US at all. The highlights are all over the place so you can never follow sports logically. The decision why they do that is explained in the book but I still think it makes for unwatchable programming. Then the whole stuff on all these talking heads (SportsNation, PTI, Around the Horn) programs like they're groundbreaking stuff is just way off the mark. I guess some sports fans watch them but here's what I want to watch on a sports channel--actual games! Given ESPN has just Monday Night Football and Sunday Night baseball--both thanks to terrible announcing crews are unwatchable--it really only has the NBA. Even then TNT kicks their butt production-wise. Anyway, it is worth reading people you know and events you may be interested in. The thing I did not get was this whole "we got the story first" deal being such a big deal. Who cares even today which media outlet reports anything first? It's like a 1950s' way of thinking. It's not who's first but who does it well. I wanted more on ESPN.com as that to me is what ESPN does excel at. They have the best sports Web site hands down. The TV arm is just filler really with hours and hours of nothing really unless you're into college football, I guess. The stuff on Bill Simmons is pretty good as are the Deadspin tales of exposing ESPN scandals. The whole thing on this cult of personality at ESPN is just as annoying as it is when watching people like Stuart "Boo Ya" Scott and Chris "Pee Wee" Berman on air. Don't care and never did. I loved the stuff on NHL bailing on ESPN (or vice versa) because I always thought especially on SportsCenter their NHL hilites were always terrible. They never got the game and when you read the inside scoop, you understand why the NHL owners went with Comcast/Versus/NBC despite the fact that Versus (well, OLN at the start) was a very small network. Worth reading but after awhile you'll just get bored at the juvenile behavior and the over-importance placed on specific events that, to this sports fan, were soon forgotten in the overall realm of sports TV history.
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3.5 out of 5 stars (98 customer reviews) 90 of 105 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Inside ESPN: The Oral History of the Mothership,
By OlingerStories - Published on Amazon.com
This review is from: Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN (Hardcover)
James Miller's--its obvious from the Introduction to the Acknowledgments to the writing itself that the sports-indifferent Tom Shales main contribution was lending his name to the project--THOSE GUYS HAVE ALL THE FUN is an engaging, if overly long, look at what has made ESPN the media and cultural phenomena that it is. Using an oral history format, the narrative runs from ESPN's humble beginnings to its current status of world domination. According to Miller, there were nine steps in ESPN's history that fell perfectly for the company not only to survive, but to rise to the top of its field. 1) Original founders Bill and Scott Rasmussen's decision to buy a transpounder on RCA SATCOM I in 1978. 2) Getty Oil's investment of $15 million in May of 1979. 3) Creating a dual revenue stream in March 1983. 4) Coverage of the America's Cup Challenge in 1987. 5) Getting TV rights to NFL games in 1987. 6) The $400 million, 4-year MLB deal in 1989. 7) The mid-90s generated "THIS IS SPORTSCENTER" advertizing campaign. 8) The acquisition of a full season of NFL games in 1998. 9) The documentary series SPORTSCENTURY. The main players behind the scenes receive as much attention as the talent on screen. The Rasmussens have the idea, and negotiate an incredibly unlikely start, but are almost immediately kicked out the door by Stu Evey, the moneyman from Getty, and Chet Simmons, the legendary NBC producer. By the mid-1980s, Evey and Simmons were replaced by Bill Grimes and Steve Bornstein. By the 2000s, the respected and congenial George Bodenheimer was teamed with talented, but utterly brash Mark Shapiro. What didn't change, however, was Bristol, the little Connecticut village that is as much a character as any. To say that the talent didn't like living in Bristol would be an understatement. Better to work all day than to have an off day in Bristol. Miller, however, realizes that the best copy is always the talent. The main groupings are the professionals (Bob Ley, Robin Roberts, Charlie Steiner, Dan Patrick), the performers (Chris Berman, Craig Kilborn, Stephen A. Smith) and the out-of-control but immensely talented (Keith Olbermann). Smart, quick and insufferable, Olbermann's five years provide material enough for a separate volume. Miller writes, "Have Keith Theodore Olbermann spend a few seasons working at your TV network and see how you feel. Sort of like Kansas after a twister." On a level below Olbermann in talent (in Miller's eyes), but on the same level of being a whinny pain in-the-you-know-what is Bill Simmons. Those whom Miller exposes as being less than what they appear are Mike Tirico, Linda Cohn and Chris Berman. Tirico, rightly or wrongly, refused to give Tony Kornheiser any love in the MNF booth. Cohn's self-absorption tops Olbermann's. Berman is shown to be incapable of not being linked to the NFL, and also gave a cold shoulder to Kornheiser. Those whom Miller loves are Kirk Herbstreit and College GameDay ("a show prized as if it were the Golden Fleece and Hope Diamond put together"), Robin Roberts ("an unmistakeable aura of authority, a true pro's unflappability"), and Michelle Beadle ("humble but fearless standout"). Miller's previous connections with WASHINGTON POST alum such as Kornheiser and John Walsh lead to very positive portrayals of their roles. The one glaring editing mistake of the book (apart from spelling Jim Nantz's name Jim Nance), however, is connected with a virtual repeat of the quotes on pages 607-608 and 676-677 dealing with Kornheiser's 3-year run on MNF. It is apparent that Miller takes the same Tirico clip and edits it two ways, and also uses the same John Skipper piece with slightly different editing. For such a professional job throughout, seeing the repetition stuck out like a sore thumb. Surprisingly, some of the more profound statements are found from Rick Reilly, who was beaten to a pulp in Malcolm MacCambridge's history of SI. Reilly points out that ESPN.COM exponentially spreads his column in a way that SI never could. He also recognizes the difference between those who learned the trade with fences (a 800 word column limit) versus those who learned on the internet (Simmons) without fences and battle to retain every word. Dan Patrick is also surprising. Given the light-heartedness of his radio show, he doesn't come off as a family man, but that is the main reason he left ESPN. He wanted more time with his family, sometime that he had abandoned under the regime of Mark Shapiro. When ESPN didn't relent from their demands, he came to the conclusion that ESPN cared mainly about the profit, and not the talent. And, that is the thread that runs through the story of ESPN as a whole. Business comes first. It comes first over the content. It comes first over the talent. It comes first over family. With that paradigm in place, the dream goal of the 1980s was realized in the 2000s--making ESPN a way of life. Welcome to the Mothership. 45 of 51 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars
More hype than anything else,
By Don - Published on Amazon.com
This review is from: Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN (Hardcover)
I just finished the book yesterday and I must say 748 pages later I was completely disappointed in the end product. I was originally inspired to read the book based on the hype by some of the pundits calling it extremely controversial, etc etc etc. In particular Dan Patrick was the biggest culprit. When he was promoting the book he made you think the majority of the book would be about the rivalries and backstabbing that went on. I should have known better when I received the book and saw how ridiculously thick it was.
To make a long story short it is more of a historical time line of the network rather than an inside peak at the personalities. I'm a huge sports fan so that was what kept me reading. Nothing really "bombshellish" was dropped except for the fact that in the early days Mike Tirico was a pervert and by today's sexual harassment standards he'd be in the unemployment line for life. That was the only revelation that really surprised me. Aside from that, the same arrogance and over inflated egos that are on display regularly on ESPN continually resonate throughout the book. At the end of the day I let a good marketing and PR campaign bamboozle me into buying this paper weight. You can't really say it's well written because there is no writing. The "authors" (and I use that term loosely) just took quotes from various people about time line based happenings at ESPN, slapped a collage on it and called it a book. Not that I am a stickler for this sort of thing but I found a TON of grammatical errors that I would assume would have been found prior to print seeing as how the authors did nothing more than collect quotes and interject a few lines of back story on every other page. The only reason it gets a 2 star versus a one star is because it was sports related. Other than that save your time and money; however, if you do decide to read the book expect most of the interviewees to "tow the company line", and those who don't claim they revolutionized the whole network. 20 of 25 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Disappointing,
By PDP - Published on Amazon.com
This review is from: Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN (Hardcover)
I've grown up with ESPN so when I heard there was a book coming out based around the network I was beyond excited. Well, i've finished it and all i can say is that i'm disappointed. When I found out it was 700+ pages i thought to myself "great, they must have a TON of juicy, behind the scenes stories to fill the pages." I was incorrect. Don't get me wrong, there are some juicy, behind the scenes stories, just not enough to carry 750 pages. The book could literally be cut in half and I don't think you'd lose much in terms of content. There are some hilarious and interesting portions, but the majority is difficult to get through. Many times I found myself reading stuff I just didn't care about. I'm not saying to completely avoid this book, but you probably don't need to run out and buy it. Wait for a copy at the library or borrow one from a friend. Just don't plan on returning it to your friend for a month. It's looooong.
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