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Three views on creation and evolution are presented in this popular format whereby the contributors provide their own articles and respond to those of their peers.


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Readers appreciate the expanding Counterpoints series because it allows leading voices on a controversial subject to present their different views in a civil and interactive format. This time, the focus is on the creation-evolution controversy--a topic hotly contested within the church as well as without. The book presents the three main evangelical views: young earth creationism, old earth creationism, and theistic evolution. The contributors are all authorities on their respective views. Each essay is followed by responses from a theologian, a biblical studies scholar, a philosopher, and a scientist; and the entire discussion is summarized by Philip Johnson and Richard Bube.

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1.0étoiles sur 5 An exercise in ignorance, Fév 16 2004
Par Brian Khairullah (Redlands, CA United States) - Voir tous mes commentaires
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This book takes on three views of what is impossible: finding scientific explanation in an ancient book of myths. The myths aren't even original, but "borrowed" from the Egyptians, Medes/Persians, Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Greeks. These "scientists" choose to bury their heads in the sands of self-deception in order to force science to conform to their twisted logic. Actually their logic is non-existant so I guess what does not exist cannot be twisted!

The creation myth that exists in the Genesis is a variation of a Sumerian myth. An informative article on the Eden story can be found here :

http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/

another good site for information:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/index.htm

Think! Use your brain! Use reason, logic! Don't let yourself get caught in the fallacy of creationism. It is senseless to willfully throw yourself into believing the myths of the ancients. They created the stories because they had no real way to evaluate the world around them except to claim that unseen deities "created the world" with their "powers". Every religion and every culture has a creation myth. Logic tells you that these are untrue, stories created to explain what ancient men were unable to understand. Now in the present there are pseudo-scientists insisting that one of these ancient myths contains actual, verifiable truth. They are either themselves decieved, or THEY ARE LYING. You have to decide for yourself. If you read this book, I am positive that you will see through the fallicious thinking and the extreme stretches of reality. The authors are attempting to lead their readers down a path of ignorance using a fairy tale as a textbook.

Do not fall for their ploy...Use your mind!

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2.0étoiles sur 5 Disappointing..., Jui 23 2003
Par Daryl R. Budd (Chesterfield, MO United States) - Voir tous mes commentaires
I bought this book expecting a real debate between the three views mentioned, namely, Young Earth Creation, Old Earth Creation, and Theistic Evolution. The reason I found it disappointing is for two main reasons. None of the contributors really talk about the evidences for their position, but instead ramble on about their philosophy of science. Van Till spends most of his time trying to convince people to call his perspective the "fully-gifted creation perspective" instead of theistic evolution. To me, it really was just playing with words in order to avoid the negative Christian response to evolution. Does Van Till believe in Darwinian evolution or not? He says he does, so why not Theistic evolution? His view, as he expresses it, is really Deism, although he protests that it isn't. Read what he says and decide for yourself. My other major complaint with the book was that instead of the proponent of each view responding to the other two views, the responses were made by a third party "panel". I found this to be extremely unsatisfying.
The book wasn't totally without merit, and all three perspectives had some good things to say - but it got lost in a lot of wordiness about "words" which really took away from the book as a whole.
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4.0étoiles sur 5 a place to start, Janv. 17 2003
Par R. M. Williams "just an avid reader" (tucson, arizona USA) - Voir tous mes commentaires
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i've read in the field of creation-evolution for nearly 30 years now, from the _genesis flood_ to _darwin's dangerous idea_. that certainly doesn't make me an expert, only a concerned layman. this book is addressed by christian's to christian's, not that anyone outside of that community won't get a great deal out of the discussion only that the emotional desire/impetus to seek answers pushes christian's with a high view of scripture to try to reconcile the two biggies in their lives: science looking at general revelation and theology looking at scriptures. if you're not part of this community it is much easier just to ask "so what?" and not to understand why this is such a personal topic.

this is a first book, that is suitable for educated people to delve into a topic where many of the other books in this field/topic presume a background in either science or theology, or where the books are so stridently biased as to be "preaching to the choir" and put off 'newbies' with their presentation.

the issues are presented well enough that i think if someone finishes the book they will have a reasonable idea of what the problems are and where the different parts are most concerned in the discussion. it is not a scientific or theologically based book but rather philosophic. it presents concerns from each viewpoint, thus showing relative priorities in what each person discusses first and critisies as lacking emphasis in the other viewpoints. this is one value in a debate type of format, it can leave you with a prioritized idea of what people find important in the issues.

one problem however with this debate framework is that each person reading the book who already have committments to issues or positions tend to cheer for their side and boo down the opposing sides. this is evident from the reviews posted here, the young earth creation team is not the big names in the field, so it looks like in suffers from lack of heroes. nay, the two philosophers defend the position well given the page constraints they faced.

there is one issue running through the book i wished everyone had addressed in a more explicit matter, that is the difference in accepting the functional materialism of science versus the uncritical acceptance of a materialist world and life view of scientism. there is much confusion between the two, you can see it in much YEC criticism, in this book as well, of both progressive creationism and theistic evolution. naturalism is the idea that what we see is what we get, no god's behind the curtain, no skyhooks to come down and rescue us. there must be a distinction between how science uses this idea as a working hypothesis, as a functional means to an end, versus how a philosophy uses it as an axiom. of the 3 viewpoints, only vantil talks to the separation of the two. the YEC's fault the other two positions as if they accepted the materialism/naturalism as a deep committment in their systems. which as christian's is simply unacceptable from the beginning.

i liked the book. i think if you need a place to start it supplies one. however if you are already committed to a position you would be better off served by jumping straight to one of the major works in each viewpoint. and interact with that author without the polemics that form the debate structure of the book.

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1.0étoiles sur 5 Not as balanced as one would expect
Much has been said in the reviews already posted, so I'll try to avoid too much repetition.

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Publié le Juil 31 2002 par Music Maniac

3.0étoiles sur 5 An interesting book on a controversial topic
I am currently finishing up the book. I must be very frank and admit that I do not know much about this issue. Much of what has been disscussed is not sinking in. Read more
Publié le Jui 5 2001

4.0étoiles sur 5 Excellent philosophical debate; short on science and Bible
"Three Views on Creation and Evolution" provides an excellent and professional philosophical/theological discussion on Christian views relating to origins. Read more
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1.0étoiles sur 5 Loaded dice right from the start
The most common kind of bias, practised in Fascist and Communist countries, and commonly by the humanist-dominated Western media and scientific establishment, is to censor... Read more
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3.0étoiles sur 5 Evolving Views Are Not New News
A good introductory volume acquainting those new or uninformed about the longstanding debate about Genesis vs. Evolution. However, not much new news here. Read more
Publié le Oct. 5 2000 par B.D.

5.0étoiles sur 5 An attempt at openness in the Creation debate!
Over the past thirty-plus years I have struggled with trying to find a book that honestly dealt with all sides the creation debate. Read more
Publié le Jui 13 2000 par J. M. Moore

3.0étoiles sur 5 Good essays, poor commentary
This book consists of essays by proponents of each of the three views (Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, and Theistic Evolution) and commentaries by practitioners of... Read more
Publié le Mars 1 2000 par Michael Tice

2.0étoiles sur 5 Disappointing: avoids some of the major issues
Initially I thought that this book was just what I wanted: a careful presentation of the 'young earth' and 'old earth' creationist positions and of the 'theistic evolution'... Read more
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5.0étoiles sur 5 Bible and Science come together
I found this an excellent investigation into the varying Christian views on the origin of life and the world. Read more
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1.0étoiles sur 5 A deceptively biased and unbalanced presentation.
This book puts forward the three most popular views on creation and evolution held by evangelical Christians today: Young Earth Creationism, which is presented by Paul Nelson and... Read more
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