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Turtles All the Way Down: Prerequisites to Personal Genius [Paperback]

John Grinder , Judith DeLozier
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September 1995
Rich with humor and metaphors from other cultures and disciplines, Turtles develops the characteristics common to the geniuses whose patterning formed the initial body of NLP techniques. You will learn how these skills are readily available for cultivating your own personal genius in a way that is respectful of the power of the unconscious.

This book is the documentary, with added notes and stories, of Grinder/Delozier's five day seminar called "Prerequisites To Personal Genius". John Grinder and Judith Delozier get their participants to think about the structure of thinking; how our thought patterns become our beliefs about reality. The limitations of those thought patterns can be overcome, however, when a person is able to expand his/her perceptual filters and model "geniuses" -- this is the process which has been shown in the lives of people such as Einstein, Milton Erickson, and Gregory Bateson.

Throughout the book, the authors challenge you to reexamine the structures of your "mind" and the ways that all parts can be integrated in an internal dance.

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4.0 out of 5 stars It's the journey, not the destination Aug. 20 2004
John Grinder and Judith Delozier provide the reader with a journey through one of their seminars. It wakes you up to your life. Or, more accurately, it can. I have read almost every NLP in print and pretty much all of the ones out of print. I hold certifications in NLP and Ericksonian Hypnosis as well a my Unversity education as an anthropologist. I found this book a bit of a stretch for my vocabulary, and a wonderful journey through a series of highly transformative experiences. Read it with your mind open and do the drills and you will find your life changing.
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First, let me say I own most of the NLP books and highly esteem John Grinder & Richard Bandler. NLP is amazing stuff. TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN, on the other-hand, is, to use a re-frame, left-overs from the NLP School Cafeteria with a steak-house price. This one is going into the garbage where school cafeteria swill belongs. Don't waste your time or your money on it. Buy the other NLP books! This one won't make you a champ, and you won't feel like a chump.
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5.0 out of 5 stars An insider's view Nov. 22 2008
By Christian Hart - Published on Amazon.com
My name is Christian Hart and I was one of the original participants in the seminar 'Prerequisites to Personal Genius' over 20 years ago, of which this book is primarily a transcript. I offer this review for what it might provide, but I must acknowledge that I cannot review the book objectively because I was there--I remember the actual experience. Thus, my review may or may not be useful to someone who does not have that background. That said.... The experience was profound for me and profoundly affected my life. To be more specific, I returned to college after having left it several years before as a C or B average student. When I returned, I was a straight-A student. I graduated and went to grad school at UCLA where I obtained my Ph.D. in psychology. During the seminar itself, while doing one of the consciousness exercises, I experienced the classic "mystical experience." That is, during the few moments it lasted, I felt that I understood the nature of the universe, including the classic epiphany "All is One." (A funny outcome of the latter: you can never litter anywhere as it would be like throwing garbage on your living room floor.) These examples are just a few I can describe briefly. I don't pretend to understand everything that John and Judith were doing in the seminar--I was quite young at the time--but I do believe that it altered my life for the better. I think that if from reading this book you could get a fraction of what I got, the price would be repaid many, many times over.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Make that 3 1/2 Stars... Oct. 12 2000
By J. - Published on Amazon.com
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Had I known beforehand this was a transcription of a 5 day seminar, I probably would not have purchased the book. With that said, I'm glad its now part of my library. The 3 1/2 stars is only due to fact that this type of book is the kind that is best suited for a detailed Table of Contents and/or index. There is no index here, and the contents page is limited to what day of the seminar they were in.
The content is excellent however. To quote the back of the book: "Rich with humor and metaphors from other cultures and disciplines, 'Turtles All the Way Down' develops the characteristics common to the geniuses whose patterning formed the initial body of NLP techniques. ... You will learn how the skills of genius are readily available for cultivating your own personal excellence in a way that is respectful of the power of the unconscious."
One thing I especially liked was the liberal use of ideas and quotes from (most notably) Carlos Castenada, and Gregory Bateson among others, to add to the understanding of the material. In one section when discussing the Incompleteness Theorem for Representation; Grinder goes from Gregory Bateson, to Kurt Godel, to Ken Kesey, Neal Cassady and finally Monty Python's Flying Circus to discuss the concept. Lets just say its not been a boring read.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Impeccable Internal Organizational Patterning Feb. 19 2002
By David J. Xanatos - Published on Amazon.com
Turtles is a book for people already exposed in some degree to the basic tenets of NLP. It is not "about" NLP, but how to create logical structures and frameworks within yourself to employ these (and other) tools in a most effective and ecological manner. A great deal of emphasis is placed on applying the right energy to the right "logical level". Often, people are making the right move in a situation, but applying that move to the wrong logical level. This book is about identifying logical levels and having an internal structure that allows you to interface at the right time at the right logical level with the right change- the minimum effort that makes the maximum difference. Grinder is a master storyteller given his exceptional background, and he winds the teachings around interesting and compelling stories from his and other fascinating folks' experiences. Worth the read even if you never learned anything about NLP. Grinder's a cool dude! :)
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4.0 out of 5 stars The reference for learning about NLP's "new code" May 8 2001
By Patrick Merlevede - Published on Amazon.com
The term "new code" refers to 1987, when this book came out. At that time, the ideas in this book departed quite strongly from the orginal "mechanistic" NLP framework. Today, some of the messages from this book still aren't "integrated" in mainstream NLP (which is a "buy" reason). Focus of this book lies on perceptual positions; trusting your unconcious (+ focussing your attention), and working with patterns (+ how to interrupt them). These are 3 messages that Grinder still stresses today (in 2001) and thet influenced my own thinking when I wrote "7 steps to Emotional Intelligence". Grinder still trains the material of this book on a regular basis in France (see [...]) - reading this book is the "next best thing" if you can't make it to Paris. That said, to mine this book's content, you'd better have studied some NLP first: given that it is a transscript of a typical Grinder/Delozier workshop, structure isn't one of its strongest points...
21 of 26 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars The best book I've EVER read Jan. 25 1999
By dnaflow@tca.net - Published on Amazon.com
I have read dozens of self-help, and nlp books. The purity of the information presented in Turtles is unprecedented. John and Judy drill down to the lowest common denominator, distilling all the concepts they present into simple, yet profound concepts. This is a must-read for anyone who is truly searching for deeper meaning.
The only thing I can say that may have a negative tone is that the world lost something powerful when Grinder and Bandler got too important individually to continue to impact the world jointly. E-mail me at dnaflow@tca.net
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