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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars
Fascinating much of the time, a bit overly written at others,
By Cowboy Neal (Dark Star) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Who Wrote The New Testament? (Paperback)
Mack's book is the first I've ever read about the origins of Christianity and it is quite eye-opening in parts, making a strong case that the legacy of Jesus was constantly embellished (from mere teacher to Lord of All Creation)over the years by followers with their own agendas and without supporting facts. no wonder so many "believers" are attacking the book with their one star reviews; this work poses hard questions about their most sacred beliefs; having said that, the book is a bit long-winded, dry, overly pendantic and off-point at times (for instance, the introduction is excellent and to the point, but the first chapter bogs down with unnecessary details about the clashing cultures at the time of the purported appearance of Jesus; it could have summarized in one or two pages). Overall, however, the book has made me realize that anyone who objectively examines the origins of Christianity (or Islam. Or Buddhism, etc. etc.) with his or her free-thinking mind, rather than blindly accepting it like obedient sheep, is likely going to come away having serious doubts about its legitimacy. Mack's book has inspired me to put about 10 other books on the subject in my cart; so it's a good start to what, undoubtedly, at least for me, will be a life-long study of the subject.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars
Too Many Conclusions and too Little Evidence,
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This review is from: Who Wrote The New Testament? (Paperback)
Most of Mack's book deals with the question of when early Christian documents first appeared, who wrote them (individual or community of origin), (sometimes) why the author wrote the book, and how the person or community of origin understood, thought about, and used the document. This had the potential to be a book of great utility, but Mack states very definitive conclusions about controversial topics, often on the basis of limited evidence. Moreover, he generally fails to inform the reader of the wide range of scholarly opinions on the subjects at issue. These shortcomings detract from the book.For example, Mack dates the four Canonical Gospels as follows: Mark (~75 CE), Matthew (~85 CE), John (~100 CE), and Luke (~120 CE). Aside from a detailed, and non-controversial, presentation on why Mark was the earliest of the four, Mack provides only a limited basis for understanding either his relative or absolute dating of the other three. Similarly, he fails to mention that most scholars date John as the latest of the four and that a few date Matthew as being later than Luke. He also fails to mention the wide range of dates assigned to each of the four Gospels by various scholars. For example, many Christian scholars date Luke to about 60 CE, whereas secular scholars assign dates of anywhere from 75 to 130. Moreover, most Christian scholars date all four Gospels to 90 CE or earlier, whereas some secular scholars think that all four of them appeared after 90 CE. I think that Mack also concludes far too much, and too strongly, about the communities of origin for the four Gospels. It gets worse with regard to some non-Canonical books. For example, Mack spends a fair amount of time on "Q", the hypothetical "sayings source" allegedly used by the authors of Matthew and Luke. (The theory here is that Matthew and Luke had two primary sources, Mark and Q.) According to Mack, Q originated around 50 or 55 CE (before any surviving Christian documents aside from some of Paul's letters). He then proceeds to draw very strong conclusions about the contents and organization of Q, about the nature of the community that produced it (e.g., how they thought of Jesus), and about how they used Q. Mack also asserts that Luke was much more faithful to the structure of Q than was Matthew. Wow! To begin with, some reputable scholars, although a minority, think that Q never existed. No fragment of Q has ever been found, and no surviving ancient document makes any reference to it. However, let us assume that Q once existed. If we further assume that: 1) Matthew and Luke each had exactly two written sources, namely Mark and Q, and 2) Matthew and Luke both incorporated all of Q, then it would be possible to conclude that Q consists of material found in both Matthew and Luke, but not in Mark. However, this putative Q material appears in somewhat different order in Matthew and Luke. It is hard to see how one could determine which of the two was more faithful to the structure of Q. It is also hard to see how one could determine whether Q originated before or after Mark. Moreover, suppose that Matthew and Luke each used 90% of Q. In this case, it would be possible for 85% of Q to appear in both Matthew and Luke, 5% to appear only in Matthew, 5% to appear only in Luke, and 5% to be lost. There is some Matthew-only and some Luke-only material. Maybe this consists in part of Q extracts that did not make it into both Matthew and Luke. One could list numerous other examples of this sort.
5.0 out of 5 stars
To Reitierate:,
By A Customer
This review is from: Who Wrote The New Testament? (Paperback)
To quote one reveiwer here: "Certainly, as the number of publications emerging from Jesus Seminar draw attack from conservative seminaries, such apparatus will become essential, popular audience or no. Nonetheless, this is an important book; a must-read for any student of the New Testament."While a few of the author's assertions raised my eyebrows, never the less it is a well thought out piece and a worthy read. As for critics of the dating sequence of the gospels, etc.; well, there is hardly a consensus among scholars on that issue. What is important about this read is the historical backdrop of the Greek and Roman world and the info related concerning the intellectual climate of the time period and how literature was written and devised by scholars of the ancient world ... Mack's knowledge in this area provides elucidating material to say the least.
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