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Wu-Tang Forever
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
on April 12, 2014
Remember Guns N' Roses smashing debut, Appetite for Destruction? Remember the less impressive Use Your Illusion LPs released afterwards? Well, although the genres of GNR and WTC are almost entirely different the situation is the same here. Both groups achieved success with their first phenomenal official releases, but they seemed to had hit a sophomore slump with their double LPs that could have been just as great had they been cut down to one album. Like the Use Your Illusion LPs, there are quality songs present on Wu-Tang Forever, but there are also a lot of songs that are just plain mediocre. My preferred top cuts off this album based on both beats and lyricism are: Triumph, Projects (International Remix), Reunited, Cash Still Rulez, Visions, and High as Wu Tang Get. The laughably bad tracks are Black Shampoo (a song about the misogynist ODB bathing and manicuring his lady), Wu Revolution (a self-righteous audio clip about choosing Islam as the way to enlightenment), and Second Coming (An out of place R&B song especially since the track Intro claims the rappers should specifically exclude R&B from being implemented into Hip-Hop). Furthermore, RZA seemed to have rushed the beat production so most of the album's beats just don't compare to those on 36 chambers. On Wu-Tang Forever, much of the lyrical input seems almost as uninspired as the beat production. I'm not entirely discrediting the lyricism, but it's quite obvious on this album which MCs have a better flow. In addition, there appears to be a lack of strong unity the MCs once had most likely due to putting more energy and effort on their solo works released before this one. Regardless of the mediocrity, don't pass on this album,but rather give it a listen and make a playlist from your preferred tracks.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful
on June 23, 2004
This album was pretty good; it didn't seem to me that they were falling off at all. But I do know why this album was kinda considered as a sophomore-jinxed album. First, it's very hard to top 36 Chambers, as it was their breakthrough album. So once you broke through, what more is there to do? Either keep doing you or experiment with some different sounds, which is what RZA was doing with more soulful samples and singers like Tekitha (remember her?). Fans expected more of the kung-fu samples to dominate the album. Second, can someone say the word, "OVERKILL"? I don't care how much of a Wu fanatic you are, there are nine members in the group, plus CappaDonna and their other Wu extended family like Poppa Wu, all on over two hours of material. It's too much of a good thing, like having Burger King for seven days straight. Last, only Disc 2 is the most memorable with songs like "Triumph", "Heaterz" and "M.G.M.". Disc 1 is okay, not wack, but okay. To tell you the truth, I only played this album for much of 1997, but when newer albums came out, this one got lost in the shuffle.
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on November 2, 2001
The best word to describe this album is confusing.
There are times you get hyped from this and want to just think this album is the greatest album of all time, but then you hear some verses and hooks and think this is just weak. If you feel this album is nothing but garbage, or if you think this album is classic of classics, then you need to re-listen to this and evaluate your decision.
We all know this album is nothing like the 36 Chambers. Nothing even close. This album is more of an attempt for mainstream Wu material. This album is much better than "The W" lp. We aren't even going to go there.
About the album. Its nice at times, but then again weak. Every artist has impressive verses. Not on every track but for the most part from a lyrical stand-point you can tell it took some time to make this album. It took the Wu Tang about 2 days to make "The W."
Rza could have made the production better on some tracks. But then again give him credit for making a couple of classic ones too. The Rza lost his touch production wise after this album dropped.
The subject matter on this album is hip-hop related. There isn't that much garbage about cash, hos, and cars, and all that bs. For the most part its good hip-hop material. Some verses could have been better. The best artist on this album on both sides are the Gza, Deck, and the Donna makes some of the tracks shine.
The "Triumph" track is without a doubt classic, hands down. "Reunited" classic. "For Heavens Sake" classic. "Older Gods" Gza makes classic. "Its Yours" classic.
Most of the tracks on side two aren't that nice. "Triumph" and "Bells of War" are about the only two classic from that side.
In the end we all have different opinions. I was about to give this album 4 stars, but this really isn't worth that many when it comes down to it. In many perspectives this album was created for the mainstream hip-hopers, and not the real heads. I have to take away for that. This album is worth buying, but this isn't an album that needs to be in every music collection, maybe a hip-hop collection, but not all music in general, like the 36 Chambers needs to be. Or like Liquid Swords. Get the album and find out for yourself.
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A lot of people criticized the Wu-Tang Clan for this album, RZA specifically, saying it was "geared towards white people." Call it what you will; I call it innovation.
"Wu-Tang Forever" could have been a great album, had it been reduced to a single album. If the Clan had lopped about 6-8 tracks off, it would have been a banger the whole way through. As it stands though, it is a good album with some bad moments.
RZA's production technique, honed rather well by the time he got to this album (he already had several Wu solo records under his belt), is very experimental. He plays with the tempo of the chorus on "For Heaven's Sake," and works with a live violin melody on the banging opener, "Reunited." Though after this project, RZA seemed to run out of ideas as a producer (at least GOOD ideas), the work here is of good, if inconsistent, quality.
There really are a lot of good songs here, however. The piano-laced "Older Gods" thumps along nicely, as does the album's single, "It's Yourz," with a multi-beat drum track and driving sample. The Inspectah Dek-produced "Visionz" is one of the album's quiet highlights, and "As High as Wu-Tang Get" is short-but-sweet, as GZA spits "People saying that the songs we make is too long/Let's make it brief, son/Half short and twice strong."
The second disc contains some of my favorite tracks. The second single, "Triumph," is an all-Clan posse cut featuring a deep bass hit and good verses from the members. Ghostface and Raekwon drop another tight crime narrative in "The M.G.M.," and Ol' Dirty drops in for the impossibly chauvinistic-but-hilarious "Dog S&$!," another of his odes to project women.
My favorite tracks here are "Bellz of War," whose familiar beat is accented by dark keyboards and bells, and "The Projects," whose looped piano and chopped beat will have you rockin' back and forth in the ride.
As I mentioned before though, there are more than enough disappointing moments. A lot of the songs here are simply Wu-By-Numbers, nothing fantastic in either production or verse. Overall however, this album was well worth the price.
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A lot of people criticized the Wu-Tang Clan for this album, RZA specifically, saying it was "geared towards white people." Call it what you will; I call it innovation.
"Wu-Tang Forever" could have been a great album, had it been reduced to a single album. If the Clan had lopped about 6-8 tracks off, it would have been a banger the whole way through. As it stands though, it is a good album with some bad moments.
RZA's production technique, honed rather well by the time he got to this album (he already had several Wu solo records under his belt), is very experimental. He plays with the tempo of the chorus on "For Heaven's Sake," and works with a live violin melody on the banging opener, "Reunited." Though after this project, RZA seemed to run out of ideas as a producer (at least GOOD ideas), the work here is of good, if inconsistent, quality.
There really are a lot of good songs here, however. The piano-laced "Older Gods" thumps along nicely, as does the album's single, "It's Yourz," with a multi-beat drum track and driving sample. The Inspectah Dek-produced "Visionz" is one of the album's quiet highlights, and "As High as Wu-Tang Get" is short-but-sweet, as GZA spits "People saying that the songs we make is too long/Let's make it brief, son/Half short and twice strong."
The second disc contains some of my favorite tracks. The second single, "Triumph," is an all-Clan posse cut featuring a deep bass hit and good verses from the members. Ghostface and Raekwon drop another tight crime narrative in "The M.G.M.," and Ol' Dirty drops in for the impossibly chauvinistic-but-hilarious "Dog S&$!," another of his odes to project women.
My favorite tracks here are "Bellz of War," whose familiar beat is accented by dark keyboards and bells, and "The Projects," whose looped piano and chopped beat will have you rockin' back and forth in the ride.
As I mentioned before though, there are more than enough disappointing moments. A lot of the songs here are simply Wu-By-Numbers, nothing fantastic in either production or verse. Overall however, this album was well worth the price.
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on February 25, 2002
The important thing to understand is that the second disc is great, and the first disc is HORRIBLE. The only good songs on the first CD are "A better tomorrow" and "It's Yourz". So basically, you have to ask yourself if you want to buy a 2-CD Album and only play half of it.

Also, I should add, that Wu-Tang stresses their lyrical abilities more than the musical aspect of the beats themselves. You'll find more catchy, musical rap somewhere else. Again though, the second CD is pretty good about all that. But if you're into some ill rhymes, check this album out. If you want Wu-Tang's best album, look no further than the 36 Chambers.
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on October 8, 2000
the visuals are most certainly there. the actual rhyming is also. infact, the rhyming, technically is much better than Enter. I guess it's just music. too bad. it can be enjoyable, but it isn't good at all. if you are a fan, i guess you should get it, but it doesn't matter either way. if you aren't a fan, don't bother.
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on October 8, 2000
the visuals are most certainly there. the actual rhyming is also. infact, the rhyming, technically is much better than Enter. I guess it's just music. too bad. it can be enjoyable, but it isn't good at all. if you are a fan, i guess you should get it, but it doesn't matter either way. if you aren't a fan, don't bother.
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on September 8, 2000
The rhymes on this double disk were great....but rza really slacked off on the production...and it destroys almost the whole feel of the disk and makes u not really care about the rhymes. Rza can do much, MUCH better than this!!!! Next wu album should be hot....check out "gravel pits".
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on September 30, 2000
overproduced and too caught up in intergrating r&b, this does nothing for the group at all, go back to 36 chambers to find what they are really about
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