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5.0 out of 5 stars Good DVD of an under-appreciated film
While critics (and audiences) were somewhat lukewarm in their response to this film when it was first released, I enjoyed it. Although it's a "black comedy", it never veers too far into total comedy or total darkness. DeVito's narration helps to hold the film together and keeps it from degenerating into a series of mind-numbing retaliations. The film is...
Published on June 27 2004 by pm444

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3.0 out of 5 stars Well acted, nasty, overlong, sour
The four terms in the heading sums up this film. Interestingly enough, in one of the special features--a deleted scenes montage--DeVito introduces the montage (as the director) and comments on how most comedies are about an hour and a half and this one was special; it's almost two hours.
Too long. The acting is excellent, no question. And there are some funny bits...
Published on April 12 2002 by LGwriter


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5.0 out of 5 stars Good DVD of an under-appreciated film, June 27 2004
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pm444 "pm444" (Okemos, MI USA) - See all my reviews
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While critics (and audiences) were somewhat lukewarm in their response to this film when it was first released, I enjoyed it. Although it's a "black comedy", it never veers too far into total comedy or total darkness. DeVito's narration helps to hold the film together and keeps it from degenerating into a series of mind-numbing retaliations. The film is visually appealing, with interesting camera angles and a solid sense of composition that is often lacking in comedies. The movie has held up well and does not appear as dated as many films from the same time.
Douglas plays his role of a rather self-important and arrogant know-it-all quite well, and Turner is equally convincing as she exhibits growing distaste for him.
The DVD has a very good video transfer. The sound is surprisingly good for a 2-channel source, with reasonably good directionality in the front speakers.
There's a montage of deleted scenes that are arranged in chronological order so that it's easy for the viewer to mentally insert them in their proper place in the film. Unlike some deleted scenes, these have the same video and audio quality as the film itself.
Overall, this is a nicely done DVD of an under-appreciated film.
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5.0 out of 5 stars The Nightmare Divorce: A Dark Comedy, May 12 2004
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Rudy Avila "Saint Seiya" (Lennox, Ca United States) - See all my reviews
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The 1989 film "War Of The Roses" was the product of Danny Devito who conceived the idea. He directed the film and it stars Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas. Their relationship in the film is nothing like their earlier partnership in Romancing The Stone. Here, the Roses are at war, in a modern parody of the historic British War Of The Roses, Tudors and Stuarts whose emblems were white and red roses. They are fabulously rich, they met traveling foreign lands and buying antiques. She's an experienced gymnist and he's a wealthy executive. Eventually, their love life and marriage falls apart and a divorce, long-lived and bitter, ensues.
The entire film is about that terrible divorce. It's a bit of a downer for happily married couples but it's still an enjoyable film as far as social satire and dark comedy. It's not really possible for any couple to conduct their divorce in the spiteful, nasty way these two go at it. Michael Douglas ruins his wife's dinner party, runs over her cat, and later Douglas eats his own dog which she had made into dinner. Their fighting becomes an all-out war, enacted inside their million dollar estate. At one point, they are hanging for dear life on a chandelier. Danny DeVito plays the lawyer and he is delivering absolute comedy. Remember, DaVito was a great choice for comic roles. Does anyone remember his partnership with Arnold Schwartznegger in the movie Twins ??
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4.0 out of 5 stars 4.5 stars, really. I love black comedies!, Dec 8 2003
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RMurray847 (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
I won't rehash the plot. It's simply a wonderfully observed crumbling of a marriage probably never built on the healthiest of foundations in the first place. One could say that the movie is perhaps an indictment of materialism, where we see Kathleen Turner's character finally turning bitter when she's done all the decorating she can, and Michael Douglas is too busy earning money to care that his wife is feeling empty now. Whose fault is it that the marriage is a shambles? Did Douglas continue to quest for more and more money to make himself feel good about himself and to keep his wife happy...and did she encourage it but continuing to spend, spend, spend? And when the ruins are revealed, it isn't emotional territory, as such, that they fight over, but the material goods that have come to represent emotional attachment for them.
All that may be, but what is so great about the movie is its unrelenting viciousness once the barbs start flying. When Turner tells Douglas she had to pull off to the side of the road when she thought he might be dieing from a heart attack because "she was happy" he might pass away...wow, if that ain't a slap in the face??
It's interesting that Turner is really the hard case in this. Douglas keeps saying that he's still in love with her. He keeps softening towards Turner, and she rebuffs him with her jaw set more and more firmly. Yet, is he really in love with her, or just feels he can "get her back" to put back on his trophy case. He probably doesn't know either...combination of the two, I'd say.
The movie is keenly observed, and the lead performances are flawless,really. Our sympathies bounce back and forth, back and forth all the time. And because we're watching a glossy Hollywood movie, in the back of our minds, we're expecting it all to turn out OKAY. Sure, they say things and do things no human can be forgiven for, but what the heck...it's a movie. I congratulate all involved for having the courage of their convictions. This is a BLACK comedy in all the best ways. The final action Turner takes with Douglas, as they lay side by side, is PERFECT!! I hadn't seen the movie in years until the other day, but many of her comments and actions were burned in my memory. These two actors had such great chemistry. A reteaming, even after all these years, might be fun.
Anyway, my one gripe about the movie is the role of "narrator" that DeVito plays. He's an attorney (and partner of Douglas'), who, in his scenes WITH Douglas, is quite amusing. But he also interjects little comments from time to time as he is retelling the story of the Roses to a prospective client. The tone of these scenes is unconvincing, DeVito does a terrible job of smoking (don't ask), and they add nothing to our appreciation of the "message." Maybe the movie wasn't long enough without these scenes...but I could sure do without them.
By the way,the DVD has a montage of deleted scenes, "hosted" by DeVito. It's worth watching, right through to the end, because DeVito (and his wife, Rhea Pearlman) have a very brief but delightful "scene" at the conclusion.
This is a great movie, and a lost treasure, in many ways, because so few people gave it a try when it came out. It still holds quite true today, I think, and despite the slightly outdated fashions in the film, remains timeless.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Must see for everyone, Aug. 20 2003
How do you hold on to someone who want stay and how do you get reed of someone who want leave?
Oliver and Barbara (Douglas and Turner) meet at the auction. With instant chemistry between the two they are soon married. Typical American family - perfect house, 2 children, work-slave husband and bored wife. As time goes by, Barbara realizes that she no longer likes Oliver and asks for a divorce. Unfortunately for her Oliver is still crazy about her, but agrees to give her the divorce. And as we all though this would be just another civilized split, all hell breaks loose. Barbara wants to keep the house that she found and decorated, but Oliver (who paid for it) will not give it up either. And after an advice from his lawyer (DeVito) he moves back into the house. While Barbara is determined to get Oliver to leave and Oliver is trying to rekindle the romance, there civilized coexistence quickly becomes very interesting.
Believe it or not I have not given much of the movie away. Yes, you now know what the basic story is, but to watch it is a completely different. Three of the return after two successful movies and deliver performances that's unmatched by anything else in there carriers. This film is one of the darkest comedies you'll ever watch. And I believe that everyone should watch it at least once. It'll make you think twice about a lot of things in life. Absolutely brilliant. An ending that will stay with you for a long time.
And when a person making $400.00/hr wants to tell you a story for free, you should listen to it.
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5.0 out of 5 stars The Dark Comedy Classic About The Divorce From Hell, Aug. 3 2003
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Among one of my favorite comedies, dark though the material may be, is Danny Devito's War of the Roses. Danny Devito both directed and performed in this late 80's early 90's film. Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner star as the feuding couple undergoing a nasty divorce. The commentary above says that this is not a date film, or a film a couple in love should watch. Although in part this is true for its graphic depiction of marital difficulties to a hellish extreme, I stil urge couples to watch. No u don't have to watch it if you're in a particularily romantic mood as this film will turn you off to any romantic ideals you may have about true love. But nevertheless a couple should watch it some time or another as a cautionary tale (like the commentary above said) and a film warning you with the situation being "what if..." what if a marriage goes terribly wrong and you undergo such a painfully malicious divorce and you think twice of an affair or what have you and are glad you're better off than Oliver and Barbara Rose. Of course their divorce battle is so bad it's unrealistic. Example: Oliver and Barbara hurl vicious insults at each other and are constantly bickering and screaming their heads off in anger in an even worse way than the couple in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Oliver ruins Barbara's fancy dinner party and sets the kitchen on fire, runs over her car, while Barbara extracts her revenge by making Oliver believe he has eaten his own pet dog for dinner. The War of the Roses is still an entertaining dark comedy in the lines of such other great dark comedy classics of the same period (early 90's) She-Devil and Death Becomes Her. The pun in the movie's title is the comparison between the historic battles of the Tudors struggle for power in England and the last name of the supposed couple being Oliver and Barbara Rose. Great dialogue, interesting situation, memorable characters and knock-out scenes that imbed themselves in our darkest revenge fantasies- who could forget how Oliver and Barbara practically destroy the mansion they are so passionately fighting for custody of and how they hang on and fall of the precarious chandelier on the high ceiling. Danny Devito proved himself an excellent director in addition to his already credited acting abilities in comedy. A must have for anyone interested.
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5.0 out of 5 stars One of the Best Dark Comedies of the 80's., Jan. 19 2003
When a young intelligent couple (Two-Time Oscar Winner:Micheal Douglas & Kathleen Turner), who did feel in love at first sight, then they got married and and then they have two children. While the husbadn is a successful lawyer and living in a large house that his wife found for him and thier children. But years later... when the wife knows that the marrige isn't working anymore-she wants a divorce and she wants the house. The husband refused to let her go and the house, he goes on a war with her, they become very protective of the house and also rising hell. But when both of them are taking a increasingly dark and dangerous path, it seems to be no redemption for this nasty twosome.
Directed by Danny DeVito (Throw Mamma from the Train, Death to Smoochy, Duplex) made a clever, somber comedy with an edge. Douglas & Turner are fabulous in this mean-spirited movie. Devito has a supporting role as Douglas's calculationg guidance lawyer. Cleverly written by Micheal Lesson (I.Q., What Planet are you From, The Tuxedo) from a novel based by Warren Alder (Random Hearts). This was one of the Biggest Hit of the Winter of 1989. This has excellent cinematography by Stephen H. Burum (The Untouchables, Casualties of War, Raising Cain). This film does Over the Top and at times, Too-Much even for a Black Comedy but it's DeVito grand (odd) style from the camera Point of View is one of the film best asset, this unique film is a matter of personal taste, it's a well done film. Grade:A.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Love hurts, Aug. 23 2002
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Christine Lee (Bankstown, NSW Australia) - See all my reviews
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The best screen teaming of the '80's, being Danny DeVito, Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas are together once again to create one of the most bizarre films of the last decade or so. Michael Douglas stars as the ambitious lawyer with a beautiful wife and two chubby kids, but as time goes by his wife opens up her own business and the kids lose weight. And then she says that she wants a divorce, something which he can't seem to fathom. Going so far as asking if she's sleeping with a woman!
What starts out as something that happens to thousands of couples each year becomes a battle that Goliath would run from. The 'comedy' of this film stems from the battle they are wagering over the house. She wants 'the house and all of it's contents, except for your shaving gear, and, his clothing?' He says that he paid for the house and it's contents so it's his. That's when things turn truly ugly: he urinates over her fish course which she prepared to impress her clients, she destroys his imported English car, not to mention the fate of all those beautiful and priceless antiques that decorate the house.
The film's climax may stun a few people, but at the heart of this is a cautionary tale: love never lasts for ever. Well, not if lots of money is involved, it won't!
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5.0 out of 5 stars Black Comedy at its best, Aug. 9 2002
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Mathew (Vermont, USA) - See all my reviews
Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas star in this movie with a chemistry greater than either of their previous films together, namely Romancing the Stone and Jewel of the Nile. Their shared screen time is filled with a frenzied mixture of passion, anger, lust, devotion, and resentment, a relationship that, however abstract and unrealistic it is skewed in this movie, reflects what's left of a lot of relationships once the lust leaves the marriage, or once a couple finally spends some time together (i.e. after the kids have left the nest).
It has been a long standing joke that once the kids go to college or leave the nest, many spouses find themselves wondering: "Who the hell did I marry?" Things that were never noticed now are found nagging; a sensitive husband suddenly becomes controlling; a neat homemaker suddenly becomes obsessively compulsive; a mother, now that her duties are cut, becomes anxious to get out of the house. This is exactly what this movie relates, from the Roses' passionate meeting, to their years of "struggle" as Douglas' character builds his career to support his growing family, to their subsequent wealth and success, and finally a lull is reached when they are wealthy and suceessful, yet they have nowhere seemingly left to go.
One of the things that a lot of viewers seemingly miss while watching the movie is the greater picture- the Rose's marriage was one built on attraction and lust. While that has been enough to sustain many marriages, this is not the case here. After the lust leaves the marriage the couple begins to notice every irritating thing the other half does, which is what happens in a lot of marriages. The difference here is that their personalities, both being uncompromising, ambitious, and, yes, more than a tad sadistic, cause Turner's and Douglas' characters to take things past the point where any realisic (i.e. amiable) seperation is possible.
Perhaps it is just me, but if anything I find this movie to affirm marriage, as long as it takes place out of mutual love and respect, not just lust. Sure this movie delivers plenty of shock power and may leave you with a feeling of bitterness, but overall this, as Devito's character (a lawyer and the narrator) mentions, is a "cautionary tale." Keep that in mind and you will find yourself wriggling in your seat with laughter and shock from the onscreen antics as Douglas and Turner terrorize each other onscreen.
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3.0 out of 5 stars Well acted, nasty, overlong, sour, April 12 2002
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LGwriter "SharpWitGuy" (Astoria, N.Y. United States) - See all my reviews
The four terms in the heading sums up this film. Interestingly enough, in one of the special features--a deleted scenes montage--DeVito introduces the montage (as the director) and comments on how most comedies are about an hour and a half and this one was special; it's almost two hours.
Too long. The acting is excellent, no question. And there are some funny bits and some sarcasm that definitely works. But watching the twosome constantly throw stuff at each other, insult each other, destroy everything in sight, and otherwise abuse one another--over and over again--eventually gets pretty tiring.
DeVito's brief interludes, as he narrates the tale to an unsuspecting about-to-be-divorced silent guy, are welcome breathers from the endless barrage. The 80s materialism thing is done fairly well here--especially when Michael Douglas takes a leak on Kathleen Turner's gourmet fish recipe--but within a short time the point is made and there's nowhere to go but down. Or just to keep going.
And that's what happens. It keeps going and going and then like the (in)famous bunny, except with severe arthritis, it finally, gratefully, stops. You breathe a sigh of relief when it's over; then, possibly, you wish you hadn't started in the first place.
One of the big problems here is a total lack of warmth--even at the beginning when things are supposedly lovey-dovey. You don't feel that. There's attraction and lust and then, poof, lawyerdom and marriage and kids. That's it. And then the fighting starts.
For a smarter movie about 80s materialism and marital strife, see The New Age with Judy Davis and Peter Weller. It's not on DVD, but it's much sharper without being nasty.
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4.0 out of 5 stars A Devastatingly Wild and Frightenly Funny Satire, Jan. 4 2002
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Jose R. Perez "Jose" (Yonkers, NY USA) - See all my reviews
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Before a communal pre-9/11 family-and-peace zeitgeist set in, "American Beauty" shook audiences to the core with it's chillingly real look behind our friends-and-neighbors' outwardly tranquil existence. Years before that Oscar-winning new classic, "The War of the Roses" dealt with many of the same themes in more satirical and explosive ways, with claws bared and punches traded between the couple in question.
"American Beauty" hit close to home through its "everyman" Lester Burnham point of view, and its laughs were of the nervous, too-close-for-comfort variety. But at the time of its release, the marriage depicted in "The Roses" was so prepousterously extreme and foreign to most audiences, the film was both hailed and reviled as a sort of anti-family anti-Christ. "The Left" loved Kathleen Turner's empowerment wife and tit-for-tat vengeance against the equally malicious Michael Douglas, while the Religious Right pointed at the film's mean-spiritedness as a sad indictment on the state of "Family Values."
Today, after "American Beauty" lay bare the new realities of familial strife, and as Americans themselves confront issues like terrorism, hatred and discrimination in unprecedented ways, "The War of the Roses" seems almost tame. Still, this movie packs more than a few punches (and not only between the dueling Roses.) There are moments of sheer brilliance here that resonate and haunt, as well as inspired performances and frequent cliffhangers that will keep audiences both entertained and challenged. Couples are forewarned to see it together at their own risk! For sheer shock value, few celluloid moments compare to the Roses swinging (literally, and at one another) on their massive chandelier and Turner's take on the meaning of road rage. Add Danny DeVito's wise turn as the narrator, and Douglas' supreme husband role - one of his best ever - and the film SOARS.
Truth be told, audiences will flinch at some of the movie's still-shocking moments, and kids under 16 may be frightened to the point of having mom-and-pop-kill-each-other nightmares. But in the end, most of us will love this wry and wrenching laugh riot of a movie.
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