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  • Audio CD (Feb. 27 2007)
  • SPARS Code: DDD
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Format: Hybrid SACD
  • Label: Ondine
  • ASIN: B000LP4OII
  • Average Customer Review: 5.0 out of 5 stars 1 customer review
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1. Barber - Toccata Festiva
2. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Andante\x{2014}
3. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Allegro giocoso\x{2014}
4. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Subito andante moderato\x{2014}
5. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Tempo allegro, molto agitato\x{2014}
6. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Très calme. Lent\x{2014}
7. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Tempo de l\x{2019}allegro initial\x{2014}
8. Poulenc - Organ Concerto - Tempo introduction. Largo
9. Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 ("Organ") - I. Adagio\x{2014}Allegro moderato
10. Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 ("Organ") - Poco adagio
11. Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 ("Organ") - II. Allegro moderato\x{2014}Presto\x{2014}Allegro moderato
12. Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 ("Organ") - Maestoso\x{2014}Allegro\x{2014}Molto allegro\x{2014}Pesante

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By Dr. Tim Parker HALL OF FAMETOP 10 REVIEWERVINE VOICE on April 12 2016
Format: Audio CD Verified Purchase
Saint-Saens 3 is one of my favorite works, especially as an organ lover. I have, I think, every recording on LP or CD of this work (OK, and a few on cassette and [ugh] 8-track!). Finding "new" versions that excite me is difficult, but I keep looking. And this one surprised me...

But before getting into the interpretation, a couple od other notes. The packaging is nice: an outer slip cover with a decent booklet inside (apart from the CD cover booklet). The recording is excellent, with lovely bass extensions and superb dynamic range. I was really impressed, although at times the soundstage is a little oriented to the left side (where the strings are), there's really nice balance in most of the work. So, top marks for the engineers and the people who put this together.

The Barber and Poulenc are nicely done, but neither is why I bought the CD. Having said that, both are surprisingly well interpreted by Eschenbach. The Philadelphia plays superbly, and yes, there is still that "Philadelphia sound" from the Ormandy days! This is an SACD recording, and it shows with the resolution.

So, sitting in the dark in front of my high-end system, the opening movement of SS3 starts. Slowly. Oh, so slowly. But I kinda like it. It mirrors another superb release on Reference Recordings that I really liked, but seems even slower than that! And then, in the second movement, the organ comes in, and the second movement is slow, too. The third isn't quite as slow, but still, slower than usual. And then, agonizingly, tantilizingly, the final movement thunders forth. My volume is turned up, the subs are dancing, and the movement unfolds. Slowly. Slowly. But, unlike some slow recordings of this movement, I'm grabbed by the tension, enthralled by the pace.
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Amazon.com: HASH(0xa00497e0) out of 5 stars 28 reviews
50 of 53 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa026ab1c) out of 5 stars killer organ/orchestra disc Feb. 16 2007
By Amazon Customer - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
If you want an organ and orchestra, sound-spectacular, look no further than here. If, like me, you listen to your newest Saint-Saen "Organ" symphony by jumping to the start of the fourth movement; well, let me tell you, the Fred J. Cooper Memorial Organ just about knocked me on my can! It has a huge sound, but - as David Hurwitz mentioned in his less than thoroughly enthused review - there's no hint of steeliness in the tone of this monster; which is my main complaint about the large organs that have been installed at S.F.'s Davies Hall, and Dallas' Meyerson Hall. This one simply tops them. Let's start at the beginning.

I love the Barber "Toccata Festiva". If a recording of it existed with Ormandy, I've never heard it, and don't recall ever having seen it. No matter - it couldn't possibly be better than this one. Think of one of Barber's "Essay For Orchestra" pieces (there are three of them), crossed with the "Wild Hunt" scene from Schoenberg's "Gurrelieder"; then add a giant organ than moves in and out of the foreground - that might give you some idea what this piece sounds like. All that's missing is Schoenberg's rattling of the chains. At 16 minutes, it's a perfect organ inaugeration type work. But what I will admit to you, is that have a very poor basis of comparison on the Poulenc organ concerto. It's not a work that I've warmed to over the years (love the harpsichord concerto: Concert Champetre).

That being the case, I can imagine that the Eschenbach/Latry partnership is a bit less nimble on its feet than some of its highly distinguished predecessors, such as Munch/Boston. Just don't rely on me to do the comparison because I just don't care enough to bother at this point. But neither did I find the performance to be so much of a deterrent, that I was just dieing to get to the Saint-Saens. In fact, I was rather enjoying the bit thicker than usual textures - not something one would want to readily boast about liking in this day and age of "composer's intentions", and all that good stuff. And what of the Saint-Saens?

Well, Dave Hurwitz IS correct in pointing out Eschenbach's idiosyncratic conducting in the S-S. Yes, the poco adagio is about a minute and a half slower than usual, but it didn't bother me in the least bit. By way of comparison, why is it OK for Eschenbach to expand the slow movement of Mahler's 6th symphony out to 18 minutes - marked andante moderato, by the way - but it's such a problem for the poco adagio to be a bit less "poco"; more adagio? Some of the measures actually have a fair amount of arpeggio type noodling going on; so that they stay busy sounding at Eschenbach's slower tempo. I will, on the other hand, point out that his scherzo is so fast, that the sixteenth note articulations get a bit blurred. However, it's nice to hear those ridiculous sounding afterbeat measures - located just a few bars after the movement's initial statement - go by a bit quicker than usual. It might all be a tad frantic sounding, but it IS exciting. Then comes the organ roar from hell - heaven, really. Eschenbach chooses a rather stately tempo that perfectly matches the thick, powerful, sonorous textures that EVERYONE conures up here. I like how the two pianos are balanced: not too close, but not TOO distant either. The combined organ and brass make a sound that has to be heard to be believed. But this also has some of the best cymbal playing I've heard on a CD in a long, long time. Unison cymbal/bass drum strokes make their proper, "knock you out of your chair" effect (imagine what Mahler 2 is going to sound like in Philly!). The ending is spectacular beyond belief.

So, there you have it. If you want your Saint-Saens "organ" symphony to sound more like French Beethoven accompanied by an organ, you may want to just stick with what you already have. But, if you're more like me - an unabshed lover of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture (with chorus, canons, bells - everything) - and feel that the full potential of the Saint-Saens has never been fully tapped into on recordings, then you may very well enjoy owning this one as well. I enjoy it for the Barber; the Saint-Saens; the Fred J. Cooper Memorial Organ, and the outrageous playing and sonorities of the Philadelphia Orchestra. I'm happy to say that I don't see this disc as being in any way, a regression in the ongoing Philadelphia/Eschenbach/Ondine series. Far from it.
19 of 21 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa26b0dc8) out of 5 stars Concrete Evidence Eschenbach Should Stay In Philadelphia March 10 2007
By Darin Tysdal - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
After I heard this CD, I thought, why is Eschenbach being forced out of Philadelphia? This is ample proof that there will be a major loss. This concert must have been absolutely spectacular in the hall. My favorite is the Barber Toccata Festiva. This piece is very lucky on CD. It was commissioned by one of Barber's most infulential patrons, Mary Louise Curts Bok for the new organ dedication. So this work is a natural for this concert which was for the dedication of the new organ at Verizon Hall. Previous recordings have been stellar: Biggs/Ormandy (on a still-sounding wonderfully Sony CD), Schraeder/Kalmar (on an unmissable Cedille CD dedicating Orchestra Hall Chicago's new organ),. The Trotter/Alsop recording was promising considering her other stellar Barber recordings, but that one just didn't get off the ground. The Schmidt/Wildner recording on Audite is also quite fine, but gear shifts hinder it's effectiveness for me (this also includes the Saint Saens 3rd in a rather slow-ish recording.) Here, everything is right-and the balance between organ and orchestra is stellar! The end of the work is fantastic with the joyous applause at the end. The Poulenc is a little slow perhaps, slower than my comparison recording of Marie-Claire Alain/Conlon on Erato. The Saint-Saens also suffers from a little budging of tempo here and there but does not distort the flow of the work although Eschenbach allows for a huge slowdown right before the end of the piece-it says "Pesante" there, not "Molto Allargando". Despite my caveats, this cd is mighty impressive and should be testimony to Eschenbach, the Philly Orchestra, Ondine for their superlative sonics, and the Organist Latry and the wonderful instrument!!
14 of 16 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa0bcbfa8) out of 5 stars Disappointing in Saint-Saens Symphony 3 Feb. 13 2013
By Stanley M. Slome - Published on Amazon.com
Format: Audio CD
As one who heard Ormandy and the Philadelphians back in the '40s at the Academy of Music, I was vastly disappointed in what Eschenbach and his engineers did to the Saint-Saens Symphony 3. Having acquired the classic Sony SACD/DVD player I was eager to play the Ondine SACD. I used NAD preamp/power amp feeding the
Fried C5 satellite-Fried 0-2 subwoofers, a transmission line system.From the first movement on,I heard coarse
and overly brilliant massed strings when they were recorded in high fortes. I could control some of this with
cuts in the upper midrange with my Numark equalizer. An SACD recording ( I played in two-channel) is supposed to provide "hall" and spaciality to the sound. Hardly so with this recording. Somuch for the disappointing
sound. Eschenbach's interpretation was boring. His adagio was dragged out past 11 minutes and he seemed to be
trying to outdo conductors in the pianissimos. After hearing this sonic disaster, I played the Sony Legacy
version that Ormandy did. Much improved in sound, although somewhat hard in the highs. Interpretation was
filled with enlivening inflections. A stunning adagio in just over 8 minutes. I then tried the Paul Paray-Detroit Symphony CD in which I employed my equalizer automatically because I have and so have others on forums noted that Mercury's Living Presence recordings always have overbrightness. Paray's interpretation was exemplary,a tossup with the Ormandy whose organist was E. Power Biggs. Near Narvana next. The Telarc LP of 1980 with Ormandy teaming with Michael Murray at the organ. Aided by Telarc's engineers Ormandy was in superb form and the orchestra was at its peak. I have heard the often-praised Munch-Boston Symphony but I favor Ormandy's approach. Incidentally the greatest AURAL thrill of the Organ Symphony, conducted by Seije Ozawa with the BSO,has never been issued by the Boston Symphony Transcription Trust. It was an in-house recording of a broadcast, meaning the sound was far better than was heard by the FM radio audience. No audio compression
whatsoever. The recording was made by the BSO's chief engineer, Kevin Mostyn. I have heard a CD transfer of
the master tape and I can say without exaggeration that it demonstrates that a CD is capable of being
the equal of SACD IF properly engineered with a great orchestra playing in a great hall.
23 of 28 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa1d3ebc4) out of 5 stars Realistic sound, but some musical concerns... March 23 2007
By Orgelbear - Published on Amazon.com
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I attended the first of the three Verizon Hall organ dedicatory concerts in May 2006 from which this program was taken. Ondine's 5.0 recording very closely matches my aural memory of the evening. The orchestra sound is well focused if a little distant, as if it had trouble getting off the stage out into the house. On the other hand, the organ blossoms in the space, engaging the entire hall. The Dobson organ--in real life and on disc--has seemingly unlimited power yet, paradoxically, an elegant and restrained tonal quality that never tires the ear. The Dobson has a more subtle palette than, say, the Meyerson Fisk in Dallas, which is perhaps why even full organ has absolutely no stridency. Recorded balances between organ and orchestra are realistic. If you are interested in this disc as a sound demonstration disc, an example of the Dobson, or a souvenir of a festive occasion, ignore the header and consider this a five-star recommendation. The performances, unfortunately, are another matter.

The best news first...Latry and company turn in an excellent Barber "Toccata Festiva". This is a muscular performance that doesn't shy away from the work's darker side. Unavailable for many years on CD, there are now quite a number of very good recordings of the Toccata. This one is first-rate. Perhaps only Ormandy/Biggs (on the 1960s vintage Aeolian-Skinner for which Barber wrote the work) have been as successful as Eschenbach/Latry at getting to the substance beneath the Toccata's celebratory flourishes.

Unfortunately, the Poulenc is simply not a contender. There is a slackness to the performance, enhanced by some rather fussy phrasing that defuses the work's cumulative effect. Worse, there is no sense of humor in evidence. The Watteau-esque pastoral sections fall flat, and the flip gallop that should make the listener want to get up and do the can-can only sounds frantic. Shaw/Murray (Telarc) are the most successful at pulling together the work's bipolar religious seriousness and campy dance hall qualities into a tragic masterpiece. The aging Angel recording with Duruflé, who played the work's premiere, is still a fine musical experience with historical interest. And, for those who require bleeding-edge SACD surround sound, Hill/Weir (Linn Records) provide a blazingly urgent performance.

The Saint-Saëns Symphony No. 3 receives a generally OK reading, although the Poco adagio loses some energy as it goes along (even unusually slow tempos can have pace and tension) and Eschenbach takes the scherzo at such a fast clip that even the Philadelphians have a hard time keeping details clean and unblurred. On the whole, it's a good listen. Still, I would recommend other recordings--e.g., Nézet-Séguin (in excellent SACD surround sound), Maazel, Munch, or Paray, depending on my mood--before this one.

The disc is generously filled, with almost 80 minutes of music. It's too bad there was no room for the fourth piece on the concert program, a newly commissioned work by Gerald Levinson. Maybe Ondine will have a place for it on a later SACD.

Organ-and-orchestra aficionados (and maybe Barber fans) will definitely want this disc. Other listeners might want to consider alternatives.
6 of 6 people found the following review helpful
HASH(0xa081ffe0) out of 5 stars Excellent selections in demonstration sound Aug. 21 2007
By R. Gregory Capaldini - Published on Amazon.com
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This is the best one-disc survey of music for organ and large orchestra I've found. Barber's Toccata uses the full resources of the modern orchestra in a one-movement concerto (in all but name). It's nice to have a new recording of this, a performance in the composer's home-town, no less. Poulenc's orchestra is limited to strings and timpani, and here it's a revelation to discover details in the accompaniment that I've missed in other recordings. By contrast, the Saint-Saens Third Symphony uses the organ in a limited role, but its relatively brief contributions are ingeniously effective. Olivier Latry needs no praise from me for his first-rate organ playing, and conductor Christoph Eschenbach draws beautifully controlled sounds from the Philadelphia Orchestra. He successfully brings out various instrumental colors in the Barber, and, refreshingly, he makes the "Poco adagio" segment of the Saint-Saens the emotional core of the piece without letting it get sappy. The disc's sound engineers have made it possible for the musicians to achieve full range of dynamics; for some people, the near-inaudibility of certain moments is a flaw but, again, I welcome the variety (not every CD is intended to be heard in a moving automobile). What an embarrassment of riches for Philly -- first the Wanamaker Organ, now this classy Dobson at the striking Kimmel Center!